Bees vs Giant Hornets

[The Snark]

Japanese method.

 

[Kada]

Effective. Unfortunately many people often just leave them and snakes, lizards, rodents, birds etc also get trapped we release larger animals, but things like geckos are nearly impossible as their skin rips off. it has prompted us to stop using it at our farms.

 

[Kada]

Effective. Unfortunately many people often just leave them and snakes, lizards, rodents, birds etc also get trapped we release larger animals, but things like geckos are nearly impossible as their skin rips off. it has prompted us to stop using it at our farms.

As an aside, it is quite entertaining watching these Hornets attacking larger beetles as they feed on sap haha. so big and heavy, but they are incredibly determined!

 

[Isaax Critterz]

I dont like the fact that they are making these harmless creatures fight ( Although the giant hornets can pack a punch!)

 

[The Snark]

Unfortunately many people often just leave them and snakes, lizards, rodents, birds etc also get trapped we release larger animals, but things like geckos are nearly impossible as their skin rips off. it has prompted us to stop using it at our farms.

Absolutely. No trap of any form, lethal or not, should ever be deployed and simply left in the environment. They must be diligently monitored and measures in place to remove these hazards once they have done their specific job. No trap should ever be fire and forget.

With honeybees, which are the pollinators of about 70% of the world's food sources, they need all the help humans can provide, but always with the caveat of mindfulness and not creating an even worse problem down the road.

With the giant hornet, they are a real and present danger. Able to find niches in ecosystems, determined methodical predators quite capable of wiping out bee colonies both wild and farmed. The method used in that video is one of the very few that can wipe out colonies of these voracious indiscriminate predators without causing undue harm to the greater environments.

What isn't mentioned in that video is the hornets will kill all the bees in an colony. The colony in the video was doomed without that intervention and the careful blocking of the hive entrance. One single hornet can and will kill hundreds or even thousands of bees with impunity and they do, to the last and least.


As an aside, I got my start in the humanitarian aid business with land mines. IMHO, the apex of man's present use irresponsible behavior, no different than sticky traps.

 

[Jesse607]

Absolutely. No trap of any form, lethal or not, should ever be deployed and simply left in the environment. They must be diligently monitored and measures in place to remove these hazards once they have done their specific job. No trap should ever be fire and forget.

With honeybees, which are the pollinators of about 70% of the world's food sources, they need all the help humans can provide, but always with the caveat of mindfulness and not creating an even worse problem down the road.

With the giant hornet, they are a real and present danger. Able to find niches in ecosystems, determined methodical predators quite capable of wiping out bee colonies both wild and farmed. The method used in that video is one of the very few that can wipe out colonies of these voracious indiscriminate predators without causing undue harm to the greater environments.

What isn't mentioned in that video is the hornets will kill all the bees in an colony. The colony in the video was doomed without that intervention and the careful blocking of the hive entrance. One single hornet can and will kill hundreds or even thousands of bees with impunity and they do, to the last and least.


As an aside, I got my start in the humanitarian aid business with land mines. IMHO, the apex of man's present use irresponsible behavior, no different than sticky traps.

Honey bees actually do not need our help, except when kept as livestock. This is a very prevalent misconception. Bees in general, especially some of the native bumble bees and many solitary bees definitely need help. There are also different species of honey bees. The European Honey Bee (Apis mellifera) is not adapted to fending off the hornets, but is often kept as livestock in areas it is not native and where the giant hornets are. The Asian honey Bee (Apis cerana) is adapted to defending against hornet attacks and is just as good of a pollinator and does not need our help...it just isn't as good at making enough honey for humans to harvest economically. So should we go back to the times of killing all wild predators because they might kill our livestock? Birds of prey used to be legal to kill because they might take out domestic chickens and other small livestock...gosh darn those indiscriminate predators!

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Honey bees actually do not need our help, except when kept as livestock. This is a very prevalent misconception. Bees in general, especially some of the native bumble bees and many solitary bees definitely need help. There are also different species of honey bees. The European Honey Bee (Apis mellifera) is not adapted to fending off the hornets, but is often kept as livestock in areas it is not native and where the giant hornets are. The Asian honey Bee (Apis cerana) is adapted to defending against hornet attacks and is just as good of a pollinator and does not need our help...it just isn't as good at making enough honey for humans to harvest economically. So should we go back to the times of killing all wild predators because they might kill our livestock? Birds of prey used to be legal to kill because they might take out domestic chickens and other small livestock...gosh darn those indiscriminate predators!

It would be less cruel to nature if they let some Asian bees live in North America so if the hornets get here there’s something to combat them . Rather than just leaving deadly hornet traps out that kill various other species . And killing the hornet nests , not allowing nature to be nature . Burmese pythons are endangered in Burma yet in Florida they are massacred as if 1 trillion of them exist a soon to be extinct species if they are wiped out In Florida .

 

[The Snark]

@Jesse607 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-problem-with-honey-bees/

@Jesse607 The bee decline was an indicator that became headline news after a couple of decades of human stupidity. The real problem which the bee decine brought to the public attention was the massive unregulated over use of pesticides starting in the 1940's and out of all control around 1960.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

@Jesse607 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-problem-with-honey-bees/

@Jesse607 The bee decline was an indicator that became headline news after a couple of decades of human stupidity. The real problem which the bee decine brought to the public attention was the massive unregulated over use of pesticides starting in the 1940's and out of all control around 1960.

Very well may be that one species eradicates everything else , bumble and other native bees are struggling.
like Sauron in lord of the rings but one species to rule them all? No ring .. just European honey bees .

 

[The Snark]

@Jesse607 The real and major problem, human gullibility and short sighted convenience before all else: Mass marketing: REMOVE ALL INSECT PESTS FROM YOUR LIVES! Shell No Pest Strips! (And others).
At the stable I noted seven of them in various places. Commercials blanketed the evening TV programs. The majority of households in the US had at least one. MONEY MONEY MONEY!
Something set off alarm bells in my mind and a few other people. DDVP in a vehicle that is in the environment essentially forever. DDVP slowly got removed from the markets, TEN YEARS of fighting Monsanto and the Oil company, and finally strict regulations came about then the near complete ban.

If left to their rampant profiteering by the chemical manufacturers, yes, the bees were in great jeopardy, along with destabilizing entire ecosystems.

 

[The Snark]

...if they let some Asian bees live in North America

Wat Chedi Luang. Cultural heritage site. Apis Cerana established a home on the great Viharn, central building. Unlike the north American and European bees, these colonies grow exponentially and continuously. Minimal pollinators, being selective, when they establish a colony the wax glops can get to be 10 feet or more long, and the bees themselves extremely hostile.
Some students volunteered to clean the above mentioned temple. When they got to dealing with the bee hives which had grown to massive proportions, 6 students were hospitalized.
Admittedly, introducing those bees into the US would certainly be a wake up call for the commercial TV brain dead crowd, but it has a few drawbacks and potential problems in further unbalancing ecosystems.

 

[Jesse607]

It would be less cruel to nature if they let some Asian bees live in North America so if the hornets get here there’s something to combat them . Rather than just leaving deadly hornet traps out that kill various other species . And killing the hornet nests , not allowing nature to be nature . Burmese pythons are endangered in Burma yet in Florida they are massacred as if 1 trillion of them exist a soon to be extinct species if they are wiped out In Florida .

Introducing one potentially invasive species to combat another will just give you two invasive species. Also, although Asian HB can defend their nests from giant hornet (Vespa mandarinia) attacks, they do not eliminate or reduce the population of the hornets. They will kill hornet "scouts" when they detect them, which prevents the hornets from attacking en masse. A small or weak colony that doesn't detect a hornet scout can potentially be eliminated by the hornets.

 

[The Snark]

@Jesse607 That explains why local bees in the US are so easily victimized by the hornets. They are relatively placid compared to other bees. With our local Asian bees the alarm goes off when a person gets within 5 to 10 feet of a hive and they start swarming. Get within a couple of feet and it's a thick cloud of alarmed bees.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

@Jesse607 That explains why local bees in the US are so easily victimized by the hornets. They are relatively placid compared to other bees. With our local Asian bees the alarm goes off when a person gets within 5 to 10 feet of a hive and they start swarming. Get within a couple of feet and it's a thick cloud of alarmed bees.

Lol I wonder if African bees would stand any chance vs giant hornets?? Those things crush bees like we do ants .. except for Asian bees which can survive if they kiill The scout . Bring killer bees to USA to stop asian hornets …

 

[The Snark]

I wonder if African bees would stand any chance vs giant hornets?

As I understand it, no bee can go against those hornets. Genetically designed bee killing machines. Only mass swarming takes them down. potentially at the loss of all the workers in a hive.