Avicularia sp. Ecuador

[Exoskeleton Invertebrates]

Yes is confusing my thought exactly. According to The World Spider Catalogue it has been rediscribed back in 1990


Jose

 

[Exoskeleton Invertebrates]

One more photo under the heat lamp. It made a lot of difference once under the light.


Jose

 

[Beary Strange]

Going by the spermathecae it is Avicularia purpurea but I'm thinking different locality. And keep in mind this species as of now it is been sold in the US as Avicularia sp. Ecuador. And as far as I know you can only get them as spiderlings.


Jose

Good to know. I've been planning on picking up some purpurea slings and for a second, this conversation had me worrying I could intend to buy a purple T and end up with a red T. Not that there's anything wrong with this sp. Ecuador purpurea, it's just not the one I'm wanting at the moment. I was hoping all these sp.Ecuador's lately were these: http://www.aracmania-forum.com/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=1583

 

[viper69]

That heat lamp gives it a purple body color - this gets more interesting

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Good to know. I've been planning on picking up some purpurea slings and for a second, this conversation had me worrying I could intend to buy a purple T and end up with a red T. Not that there's anything wrong with this sp. Ecuador purpurea, it's just not the one I'm wanting at the moment. I was hoping all these sp.Ecuador's lately were these: http://www.aracmania-forum.com/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=1583

Is that a bright blue pink toe????

 

[Exoskeleton Invertebrates]

Ever since Chris sold me the Avicularia sp. Ecuador and gave me the info I felt that I needed to point it out since on Rick West website has this particular spider under the name Avicularia purpurea. I hear that the genus is also a mess like the Aphonopelma sp. this is new to me since I'm not to familiar with a lot of Avicularia sp. And I'm hearing that the Avicularia versicolor is going to be moved to a whole different genus, is this correct?


Jose

 

[viper69]

The versi info is NEWS to me..that's odd.

Yeah for at least 10 yrs people have been saying the Avic genus is screwed up. Honestly I don't know why only this genus is screwed up. I see a lot of baboons and they look a like just different colors to me, like Avics. But I never hear how baboons are screwed up.

 

[Exoskeleton Invertebrates]

Im posting another link: http://www.vogelspinnenforum.ch/index.php?page=LexiconItem&id=56
According to this information after being redescribed the spider provided in the link is the Avicularia purpurea that we all have seen and known. The spermathecae is also shown. Now do we know for sure if the Avicularia purpurea is the actual spider from the abstract papers when it was redescribed? Why different from Rick West website? Either way I provided the spermathecae photo of my own specimen Avicularia sp. Ecuador as far as I can tell it has the same formation as the Avicularia purpurea. Here it is again http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/attachment.php?attachmentid=124009&stc=1&d=1391304755
At this point going by the spermathecae to me it seems that they are the same spider but different color morph. I am still going to label my spider as Avicularia sp. Ecuador since that is how it first was sold to me as! Oh by the way! Here it is in English for those of you that can't speak German

Scientific Name: Avicularia purpurea

Describer : Kirk, 1990

Origin : Ecuador in the area around Tena

Habitat: arboreal

Day temperature : 26-28 ° C

Temperature night : 22-24 ° C

Humidity : 60-70 %

Size of the terrarium : rich 30x30x40cm

Ground :
Since A.purpurea is an arboreal , must not very down to earth
Be given night. In a possible planting I recommend
normal potting soil.

Plants: Here you can various
twining but also normal growing plants are taken that a
tropical climate endure . For this you can look around you in our plant part.

Remarks:
A.purpurea one of the avicularia which can be quite good the way also allocated on the basis of color. The young are dark gray, almost black in color and have white hair. The opisthosoma is the " herringbone " - provided or " Christmas tree " pattern. With increasing age , however , the drawing disappears. Adult animals are almost black in color and shimmer on the prosoma and the front legs ultramarine to purple .
A.purpurea comes out of the Ecuadorian highlands and is considered synanthropic . Not only tree cracks , knot holes and bromeliads be used as a dwelling , but also like solitaires on grazed areas or in roof constructions of roofs.
Like all avicularia has A.purpurea Contact stinging hairs of type II to defend against the enemy they stretch to meet her opisthosoma . The poison is then bite but almost not used . I have my animals found to be very quiet.
In the highlands of Ecuador , there is no significant rain or dry season and therefore no mating seasons are to be brought in connection therewith . The mating itself should also extend part of the female of times rougher times less then that. The male chops with his Tibiaapophysen in the chelicerae of the female and caulked it up. He then introduces the embolus a BlueBUS and fertilizes the female.
After 6-8 weeks the females should then build a cocoon . The eggs need then for the maturation in the first nymph stage lasts about 7 weeks depending on temperature. The cocoon can contain from 80-100 larvae. It is important , as with all avicularia that in the rearing of waterlogging in the container is created. This often leads to fungal infections in the book lungs .

 

[viper69]

Yeah I see what you mean Jose. Going by the anatomy one thinks purp, going by the looks, one may think, "hmm what is that" The new pics you showed clearly show the purple color from that web site. It's definitely interesting.

Hey, who told you that veriscolor was getting transferred out of the Avic genus ??

 

[Beary Strange]

Yeah I see what you mean Jose. Going by the anatomy one thinks purp, going by the looks, one may think, "hmm what is that" The new pics you showed clearly show the purple color from that web site. It's definitely interesting.

Hey, who told you that veriscolor was getting transferred out of the Avic genus ??

I've heard that too viper. Actually I believe it's already happening, just not published yet. Supposedly versicolor and diversipes are going to be moved to Iridopelma. And looking at their young and behavorial patterns, to me it makes sense.

Edit: I'm trying to find where I saw this to cite my sources and in looking I found this old thread mentioned Fukushima was supposed to publish a revision in 2013, but I don't believe it has happened yet. http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/archive/index.php/t-224342.html? Just search Fukushima in the page to see what I'm referring to. Still haven't found where I heard they'll be moved to Iridopelma though. Everything I'm turning up now says not yet specified genus or monospecific genus.

And yes, that was a blue and purple Avic. No idea what it actually is though. I really want one. :c

 

[Exoskeleton Invertebrates]

Joe Rossi/ El Bandido, was the last person that told me and that was last night but I have also heard it from a few others a while back I just kept putting it in the back burner. It seems the spermathecae don't mean jack to a lot of people. Some people that I have talked to keep saying the proper way to know a true species is by doing DNA testing which I agree to a certain degree but at the same time are we going to do DNA testing with every spider we purchase or that we want to purchase? I ask myself why even bother with the spermathecae than? I have posted spermathecae on some other species before cause I was asked to do so and in some cases it seems like some people were cool that I have posted the photos but it seems with other species is like people want to be closed minded about the topic, for instance this topic. Does the spermathecae mean anything at all or does it mean nothing? How do we now with the Avicularia purpurea who's right and who's wrong? This reminds me of my Acanthocurria fracta that I'm personally having issues with, same flipping thing is happening with this species.
I really feel like some of this taxonomist want a name for themselves so they go and mess everything up! Why they keep going back and forth? Are they going to do this with every Genus/species? Gee! Sorry but I'm a little ticked about what some taxonomist are doing.




Jose

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I've heard that too viper. Actually I believe it's already happening, just not published yet. Supposedly versicolor and diversipes are going to be moved to Iridopelma. And looking at their young and behavorial patterns, to me it makes sense.

Edit: I'm trying to find where I saw this to cite my sources and in looking I found this old thread mentioned Fukushima was supposed to publish a revision in 2013, but I don't believe it has happened yet. http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/archive/index.php/t-224342.html? Just search Fukushima in the page to see what I'm referring to. Still haven't found where I heard they'll be moved to Iridopelma though. Everything I'm turning up now says not yet specified genus or monospecific genus.

And yes, that was a blue and purple Avic. No idea what it actually is though. I really want one. :c

I also heard it is Fukushima and Bertani that are working on the papers.


Jose

 

[Beary Strange]

Joe Rossi/ El Bandido, was the last person that told me and that was last night but I have also heard it from a few others a while back I just kept putting it in the back burner. It seems the spermathecae don't mean jack to a lot of people. Some people that I have talked to keep saying the proper way to know a true species is by doing DNA testing which I agree to a certain degree but at the same time are we going to do DNA testing with every spider we purchase or that we want to purchase? I ask myself why even bother with the spermathecae than? I have posted spermathecae on some other species before cause I was asked to do so and in some cases it seems like some people were cool that I have posted the photos but it seems with other species is like people want to be closed minded about the topic, for instance this topic. Does the spermathecae mean anything at all or does it mean nothing? How do we now with the Avicularia purpurea who's right and who's wrong? This reminds me of my Acanthocurria fracta that I'm personally having issues with, same flipping thing is happening with this species.
I really feel like some of this taxonomist want a name for themselves so they go and mess everything up! Why they keep going back and forth? Are they going to do this with every Genus/species? Gee! Sorry but I'm a little ticked about what some taxonomist are doing.
I also heard it is Fukushima and Bertani that are working on the papers.



Jose

Well I don't know if that's why they do it. From what my understanding is, interested taxonomists "fix" mistakes in earlier descriptions and classifications based on new or re-reviewed information. But I agree, sometimes it seems excessive and meaningless. A couple months ago I went from having a P.pederseni to having a P.vittata. What is the point of just changing the name? But with this recent one I get, the versicolors and diversipes seem a bit different from the rest of the Avics and the entire Avic genus is such a mess classification wise someone needs to straighten it out. Like the problem you're having right now...it shouldn't be this hard to figure out which spider you have and yet you're completely justified in raising the 'wtf' flag.

 

[viper69]

I've heard that too viper. Actually I believe it's already happening, just not published yet. Supposedly versicolor and diversipes are going to be moved to Iridopelma. And looking at their young and behavorial patterns, to me it makes sense.

Edit: I'm trying to find where I saw this to cite my sources and in looking I found this old thread mentioned Fukushima was supposed to publish a revision in 2013, but I don't believe it has happened yet. http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/archive/index.php/t-224342.html? Just search Fukushima in the page to see what I'm referring to. Still haven't found where I heard they'll be moved to Iridopelma though. Everything I'm turning up now says not yet specified genus or monospecific genus.

And yes, that was a blue and purple Avic. No idea what it actually is though. I really want one. :c

Yes that blue purple Avic is outstanding. I always felt there would be one found in that color as an adult. This is INTERESTING.

The Fukushima link is to a student's thesis, so I wonder if a paper was published from it.

I don't think DNA is the only method to classify an animal. Cladistics is equally as important.

 

[Exoskeleton Invertebrates]

Well I don't know if that's why they do it. From what my understanding is, interested taxonomists "fix" mistakes in earlier descriptions and classifications based on new or re-reviewed information. But I agree, sometimes it seems excessive and meaningless. A couple months ago I went from having a P.pederseni to having a P.vittata. What is the point of just changing the name? But with this recent one I get, the versicolors and diversipes seem a bit different from the rest of the Avics and the entire Avic genus is such a mess classification wise someone needs to straighten it out. Like the problem you're having right now...it shouldn't be this hard to figure out which spider you have and yet you're completely justified in raising the 'wtf' flag.

I was going to mention the P. pederseni. Yeah and now it went back to its old name, you figure that one out.
Here is another good example: Acanthoscurria fracta now natalensis. On the abstract papers a completely different spider that it is been redescribed check it out! http://www.scielo.br/pdf/zool/v28n4/v28n4a15.pdf
Here is my link of my female Acanthoscurria fracta http://exoskeletoninverts.com/wp-content/gallery/tarantulas/acanthoscurria-fracta-f.jpg
And on the abstract papers the spermathecae is different than my female http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/attachment.php?attachmentid=122989&stc=1&d=1387768296
Figure this one out!


Jose

 

[Exoskeleton Invertebrates]

More photos of the Avicularia sp. "Ecuador"

Since my original attachment photos are not display, I will post some knew ones. If you look closely this species has a light orange lightning bolt pattern on the metatarsus.


Avicularia sp. "Ecuador" - Wild Caught Female

Avicularia sp. "Ecuador" - Wild Caught Female

 

[Storm76]

She certainly is a real beauty, jose.

 

[Exoskeleton Invertebrates]

She certainly is a real beauty, jose.

Thanks mate. It's the only Avicularia sp. I have. I've had her for a couple of years or so.

 

[CEC]

I bought a WC sp. Ecuador from a guy named Travis, he said he got it from a guy named Jose. I'm guessing that's you... I have a sp. Peru and a sp. Tarapoto. I also bought the newly imported sp. Ecuador which is not looking anything like the sp. Ecuador I got from Travis, mind you, they are still a juvies. The one I got from Travis looks identical to my sp. Peru and my sp. Tarapoto. It does not look like the sp. Ecuador that Eric (Goterps) has posted in the Avicularia Genus Picture thread that I was expecting to get which looks like a dark purple yellow banded purpurea which he claimed reached 6". I believe this is what I got with the recent import from dealers.

I believe the sp. Peru I got originally from Joe Rossi labeled and imported as sp. TPP are actually sp. Tarapoto because they are identical and plus it fits the abbreviation. My sp. Peru and sp. Tarapoto slings which are also identical are much different in appearance than the slings of the newly imported sp. Ecuador purpurea look alike but of course since the one I got from Travis was wild caught (I'm guessing as adults) this bit of knowledge doesn't help.

Check out Jason's sp. Tarapoto in the wild:
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?142224-Protectyaaaneck-s-picture-thread/page106

 

[Storm76]

Check out Jason's sp. Tarapoto in the wild:
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?142224-Protectyaaaneck-s-picture-thread/page106

...and these are the ones I've seen over here being sold as such. I'm therefore not sure what came over there labled as these (perhaps wrongly?), but Jason's are the ones I was looking for over here and that I see frequently. Didn't we have the conversation about these via PM a few months back, Chase?

 

[Exoskeleton Invertebrates]

I bought a WC sp. Ecuador from a guy named Travis, he said he got it from a guy named Jose. I'm guessing that's you... I have a sp. Peru and a sp. Tarapoto. I also bought the newly imported sp. Ecuador which is not looking anything like the sp. Ecuador I got from Travis, mind you, they are still a juvies. The one I got from Travis looks identical to my sp. Peru and my sp. Tarapoto. It does not look like the sp. Ecuador that Eric (Goterps) has posted in the Avicularia Genus Picture thread that I was expecting to get which looks like a dark purple yellow banded purpurea which he claimed reached 6". I believe this is what I got with the recent import from dealers.

I believe the sp. Peru I got originally from Joe Rossi labeled and imported as sp. TPP are actually sp. Tarapoto because they are identical and plus it fits the abbreviation. My sp. Peru and sp. Tarapoto slings which are also identical are much different in appearance than the slings of the newly imported sp. Ecuador purpurea look alike but of course since the one I got from Travis was wild caught (I'm guessing as adults) this bit of knowledge doesn't help.

Check out Jason's sp. Tarapoto in the wild:
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?142224-Protectyaaaneck-s-picture-thread/page106

Yes that would be me, the guy name Jose. I had two wild caught females. I bought both from Chris Young former( Krazy8's ) dealer. Chris says it's the same species that is on Rick West website http://www.birdspiders.com/gallery/index.php/Tarantulas/birdspiders_0249 which appears to be.

Even though Chris may believe, and it may be true that your spider and my spiders is identical from the photo that is on Rick's website. The spider that you have was sold to me as Avicularia sp. "Ecuador" by Chris Young. Chris states that both females came in as wild caught and labeled Avicularia sp. "Ecuador".

And of course your specimen and my specimen according to Rick West is ID as Avicularia purpurea from Ecuador. It will be interesting to see if and when the Avicularia spp. in general gets all sorted correctly ID.

Are you liking your specimen that the guy name Travis sold you?

You know I'm joking about the "the guy name" it just sounds like an interrogation. Ha, ha!

 

[JoeRossi]

Since my name was mentioned (Hi Chase and Jose Bandito):


Click here: http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/sho...ANCYLOCHIRA)&p=2013845&viewfull=1#post2013845

The first time these specimens were brought in, bred, and reproduced I labeled them Avicularia sp. Peru. After I consulted with Rick West and others we fellt there was a strong possibility these could be avicularia ancylochira or avicularia aymara. I then listed them as possible to show the possibility, but never labeled them as either I.D. specie because I was/am waiting for paper work (hopefully soon).

They were later bred or brought in to Europe as Avicularia sp. tarapoto which is now known the T.P. barely visible on the wild caught specimens stood for the location Tarapoto. I still feel they are ancylochira, aymara, or possibly new specie, but should not be labeled as such (some dealers did, but should not have) until they have been properly I.D. For the time being since we know the local sp tarapoto is the go to.

As far as the Avicularia sp. Ecuador and Joses spider pictured in this thread I can provide a picture of my female here and my breeding report as I listed above. ...You can use this to help aid you in your discussion and identification as need be.

Hope this helps,
Joe

Click here:
http://rs710.pbsrc.com/albums/ww107/JoeRossi/Mobile Uploads/20141227_070731_zpsbb131a35.jpg~320x480
http://rs710.pbsrc.com/albums/ww107/JoeRossi/Picture2351.jpg~320x480