A new Hysterocrates species????

Ian14

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I've just seen an advert on a well known UK based reptile forum, offering what is claimed to be a new species of Hysterocrates, H goliathus. The seller claims to have been selectively breeding these for the last 13 years and is releasing a small number of offspring to the hobby.
Now I'm a little sceptical, especially as 1) I can't find any trace of this name and 2) the reference to 13 years of selective breeding, because this would mean that the species was discovered at least 13 years ago and so would be published and likely offered for sale already.
So, is this a genuine new species or something made up?
 

The Grym Reaper

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I just looked up the ad and that looks almost as dodgy as that guy on here and Wastebook who claims the random spiders he found in a plant shipment are the real H. hercules and was trying to sell them for £1,000 a pop, avoid.
 

Tarantuland

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With absolutely no context beside what you provided… sounds made up
 

Theraphosid Research Team

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This is most certainly a fake that is all about money. The genus Hysterocrates has numerous species and has not yet been revised, which makes identification extremely difficult even for us specialists. A normal tarantula owner or dealer has no possibility and not the knowledge to identify the animals - mostly without exact locality - correctly. I think it is once again a dealer who wants to get as much money as possible out of a 0815 species.
 

Ian14

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Thanks for the replies, it does read as dodgy as hell.
He is claiming to have spent 13 years line breeding from 4 pairs of Hysterocrates, to develop faster growing spiders that get huge.
He has backed down from his initial claim and admitted to having made up the name "goliathus" because it sounded "cool" 🤣
 

Liquifin

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People who do this only wants one of two things: Money or Credibility.

Sad to see such a obvious scam, but it is becoming more common the longer this hobby goes on.

as dodgy as that guy on here and Wastebook who claims the random spiders he found in a plant shipment are the real H. hercules and was trying to sell them for £1,000 a pop
Isn't that @Paul Osullivan who was the one making that claim? @Theraphosid Research Team I recommend talking with him, as he says some strange and questionable things about having some Hysterocrates he claims as the real Hysterocrates hercules.
 

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He was claiming to have bred only the biggest of the biggest, with the biggest of the biggest - and this was the 4th generation of the biggest biggest.

TBF after much harassment (like, can you really imagine a forum being full of hostile defensive users?) he did say the name was made up and it was more of a project that he embarked on. His hope was finding others out there who also only wanted to breed the biggest possible and was offering a buy back scheme. He wanted to find others doing something similar and take part in his "project"

The advert has now been edited my moderators and the "discussion" removed

It makes me think of breeding racing horses or prize winning dogs
 

Chris LXXIX

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For my views about, there's absolutely no valid reasons for pay anything Hysterocrates here in Europe more than 20Є (of course, not slings) considering how many times that genus went messed up and mixed during years.

Great spiders, don't get me wrong, but :shifty:
 

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I remember reading this:


I didn't pay any attention to it though.
 

Moyzie

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For my views about, there's absolutely no valid reasons for pay anything Hysterocrates here in Europe more than 20Є (of course, not slings) considering how many times that genus went messed up and mixed during years.

Great spiders, don't get me wrong, but :shifty:
Agreed
 
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AlbaArachnids92

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Jesus wept.......so charging through the roof for 'bigger than usual' cheap T's under an enticing name you made up.....
 

Moyzie

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An AMERICAN has now asked about shipping to the states - is that someone trolling him ?
 

Scolopeon

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I’m the guy selling those over there and as I’m U.K. based that is where I was originally posting to release a small batch, not the entire stock I have of them.

They were never claimed to be a newly discovered species (I made an error putting New species in the title which was quickly rectified but in the post body I explained what the project was about and how these were line bred and the new name Hysterocrates sp. “Goliath” is a means to preserve said giant genetics over generations) it was explained in this very post they are part of a selective breeding project spanning 13 years and all he had to do was ask and I would have answered, not turn it into some massively negative witch hunt (which if you have a look at his post history on RFUK he seems like quite an unpleasant and spiteful individual to deal with)

A lot of hard work went into selectively breeding this way and with some very promising results. The largest females are approaching 105mm body. So over time I’ve seen line bred gigantism.

They are priced slightly more than normal H gigas but I believe in my project and time, not just a bunch of random Hysterocrates bred once then resold, which is reflected in the price here and a lot of effort went into sourcing and breeding over that 13 year span, so they are marked up a little higher than normal.

He is also spouting it on the RFUK forums like he’s part of a high profile witch hunt on some massive international forum as if he’s some hero, busting scammers worldwide, that is the real farce here.
Of course I’m over here as I have been for years and yes the project is real, i’ve posted evidence of the growth and sizes of the initial adults.

Any other questions ask away.
 

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