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Arachnoangel
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The pp who list the Ts in journal articles. The pp who list the spiders on the net, like Wikipedia."they" who? Who are you referring to?
The pp who list the Ts in journal articles. The pp who list the spiders on the net, like Wikipedia."they" who? Who are you referring to?
There are many primary scientific journal articles with photographs of Ts. I cannot think of a recent one I have read that didn't.The pp who list the Ts in journal articles. The pp who list the spiders on the net, like Wikipedia.
What about amazonica?No you didn't. It's been a mess from the beginning, most of what you 'knew' was false. There's a long-term revision underway by Caroline Fukushima, and an interim paper has been published. To give you an idea of the crap that's been dumped into Avicularia over the decades: one species was moved to Grammostola and another to Euathlus! That's why I totally disregard the two 'official' tarantula species lists; there's so many bad names from old, vague descriptions. No one knows how many tarantula species there are. Don't quote the lists.
Fukushima has invalidated 18 bogus and duplicate species, and as it stands now there's 14 valid Avic species, with 8 still under review, so a potential max of 22; Jacobi's 'official' list has 47 Avic species! Prior to this Avicularia had been split into Iridopelma, Pachistopelma, and Typhoclaena. 4 new genera will be added:
- versicolor, by itself
- laeta, by itself
- diversipes, gamba, & sooretama
- minatrix, hirschii, & one other species
Interesting stuff.
honestly pictures wont really help, since Avic cant really be reliably identified by picturesYou know it really would help rank amateurs like myself if they'd show you a pic alongside name. Grrr.
That is the where I got my MM (that exact advert when he was a SA) he's exactly that, pure black pink toes.@Bread
http://www.thespidershop.co.uk/avicularia-guyana-p-1107.html#.V_acSfkrKM8
I think this is being described this way due to the recent Avicularia confusion over changes, though it does indicate in the description that it is what is currently known as A. avic.
Send Lee@TSS a message and he should be able to confirm this and pick out a AF too.
I see no mention of Amazonica anywhere in that Taxonomical Revision Document. So maybe it has a generic name or is being moved as well.What about amazonica?
Edit* Does it stay in Avic.?
Ah, yes. It's been soon™ ever since I joined AB, and I believe it's going to be soon™ for a couple more years at least.Versicolor is being moved out of Avicularia into it's own genus. Same thing's happening with laeta. What was once Avicularia is soon to be 8 genera.
Amazonica was indeed collected from the wild is not a hybrid.I suppose Amazonica could be one of those "sp. nov." versions.
But let's suppose it is found that Amazonica which is a favorite among people who love Avic's is not a recognized species. The scientific species name then goes away and we have a hobby form. One must wonder what will happen on the popularity of this tarantula. One would wonder if anyone will continue to breed it. I still love it hybrid or not, and may buy a couple more to insure I have a female before they disappear. Although I try to only buy pure forms, this would be an exception in my interest.
Amazonica was indeed collected from the wild is not a hybrid.
Are you aware of any data to suggest it's a hybrid? If so, that would be news to me, and worth reading.Well, not a man-made hybrid anyways.
On its face that statement is accurate. Scientists are not publishing their findings for hobbyists.The science of taxonomy and systematics provides insight to species diversity and evolutionary relationships and isn't there to help you figure out what tarantula to breed with what
That is the big question. I hope they don't stop with just a classification adjustment of what they keep and still leave people in the dark. It would be nice to also see them examine any specimens that have supposed scientific names that disappear in this process. If they say it is found in the wild then could it not be some color variant based on a recessive gene like Neoholothele incei gold and olive?Are you aware of any data to suggest it's a hybrid? If so, that would be news to me, and worth reading.