A. Avic help.

Hezekiah weatherly

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IMG_0654.JPG IMG_0653.JPG Ok so yesterday I bought my aviculara avicularia (pink toe) and I'm new to collecting spiders as a hobby and I only have two. One is grammostola rosea (rose hair) and I'm not having any trouble out of her but my advic seems to be acting weird and not moving a lot.. she is spinning webs but there small and tear apart when she move out of it but yeah she just isn't active...any advice on Avics to help caring for it?
 

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Devin B

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Im no expert on Avics, or any arboreal for that matter, but the enclosure you have looks to large to me. Also these spiders need more vertical space rather than horizontal because the spend most of their lives up in trees. Now to answering your question, I think your T is just getting settled into its new enclosure and everything will be fine in a matter of days
 

Hezekiah weatherly

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Im no expert on Avics, or any arboreal for that matter, but the enclosure you have looks to large to me. Also these spiders need more vertical space rather than horizontal because the spend most of their lives up in trees. Now to answering your question, I think your T is just getting settled into its new enclosure and everything will be fine in a matter of days
THANKS!
 

BobBarley

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You're setup is way off. Please, please, please read this quote from @viper69 :

Many of us, myself included, are Avic enthusiasts.

I STRONGLY suggest you pour through all the Avic posts on this forum, including the vivarium forum.

They aren't too hard to keep BUT when they are 1" and smaller are a bit more delicate in the sense they have a narrow range of husbandry requirements that keep them alive.

First off, DO NOT read any care sheets, they will impress upon you the need for high humidity- this is NOT true. Moist, stuffy containers with poor ventilation will kill your Avic.

You are best off setting up a tall container for your arboreal Ts, such as a 16 oz deli cup if they are quite small. If they are a larger slings, say an inch or a bit more go with a 32 oz deli cup. Definitely put substrate in the bottom, not too much, perhaps about an inch is my preference (there's no scientific amount to add). Substrate varies, I use coco fiber, others use top soil and others use a mixture of other sub types such as sphagnum moss/peat/vermiculite etc. Some people use deli cups or inverted AMAC boxes (google those). I use both.

Here's an example of inverted AMAC boxes http://arachnoboards.com/threads/amac-style-box-enclosures.282537/ scroll down to arboreal.

There is no need to mist your T, it's not a plant. There is no scientific data supporting the idea that increased humidity helps in molting either.

For ventilation (there's no science as to what is "enough holes" for proper ventilation) in deli cups I put a few holes up at the top in case the T makes a canopy and molts up top and needs water (I add water in with a blunt tip syringe if needed), and I put small holes around the top and vertically I make holes down the deli cup, usually 8 vertical lines of holes around the perimeter of the deli cup. I do similar routine for inverted AMAC boxes.

I keep my sub dry, primarily because it's easier AND it reduced the attraction of mites. I always clean the boli (spherical cricket remains) out off the substrate to minimize mold formation as they will grow mold.

I provide them a cork bark slab put at an angle from sub floor to top of the container, like a 45 degree, just lean it against the wall, no need to hot glue it. I would also strongly suggest you provide additional anchor points with moss hot glued to the slab OR even better some plastic plants. I use ones from ZooMed. I never use silk plants as they may have dyes.

Also, the plants are important because this genus likes to have cover. They don't like to be out in the open. If you don't provide cover you will observe your T typically with its legs pulled in, and very rarely move.

ALWAYS provide them a water bowl. They will not drown so don't worry about that. As slings they are pretty sensitive to hydration levels, ie not enough food or water to keep their abdomen plump and they will die.

This is the style water bowl I make: http://www.tarantulasus.com/showthread.php/4353-A-tip-for-a-Tip-resistant-water-dish

I keep the water bowl on the sub floor, they will come down to drink and they will come down to hunt as well. I just put in crickets on the sub floor and watch the hunting.

Some people keep water dishes up top via hot glue. I noticed no benefit when I did that. It's personal preference.

For temps I typically keep them at 68F night/70-75F day. No particular photoperiod, just sun up/sun down.

Feeding: I feed slings as often as they will eat, because their only job in the wild is to evade predators, and eat to get large enough to defend themselves. Too many people put their slings on Nazi Feeding Programs, ie giving their T 1-2 crickets a week. I don't believe in that. I'd find it hard to believe they only eat 1-2x/week in the wild, but there's no data to support my thoughts on this to my knowledge.

When they are hungry, you will often observe them pointing downward head first towards the sub floor, legs spread out a bit, not retracted to their 2 body segments.

They are nocturnal, but if an Avic is really hungry they will eat at anytime, day/night.

A. metallica is probably the best in my opinion, quite docile which makes for easier rehousing as they grow larger. However, don't be fooled by their typically docile temperament, they are faster than a human when they need to be.

Lastly, do your T a HUGE favor and don't handle it. It derives no value from being handled. It's not capable of forming any bonds with you.

Avics will take a flying leap off your hand at any moment they choose, even from heights that will kill/injure them because in the wild they expect there to be branches etc to land on. They don't expect a free fall drop onto your carpet or floor etc.
This is from the link that @Hellblazer linked, please read it over and correct your setup accordingly.
 

Hezekiah weatherly

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What's wrong with my set up... there are plenty of fake plants rocks to climb and web on and I have a long piece of bark that I bought for 10$ she's currently moving around her cage now and hasn't been on the walls of the aquarium
 

viper69

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I understand it's and arboreal species.. but I'm asking what is wrong with it

Why are you asking what's wrong with it, when someone replied to you in this thread and you replied back with THANKS. You already know the one major issue. Here's a few others

1. Using a screen top (it seems)-- they get caught, and can hang there, possibly lose a leg

2. Setup is too large-- unless you totally fill that space with insects like it's a jungle.
 

Hezekiah weatherly

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Ok so I spent all of my money thinking this would be a proper set up.. ik its and arboreal species I just thought putting stuff it can web and climb on she would be fine
 

Hezekiah weatherly

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Why are you asking what's wrong with it, when someone replied to you in this thread and you replied back with THANKS. You already know the one major issue. Here's a few others

1. Using a screen top (it seems)-- they get caught, and can hang there, possibly lose a leg

2. Setup is too large
How would I turn this aquarium into and arboreal terrarium
 

nicodimus22

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What's wrong with the screen top
Tarsal claws can get caught in screen and mesh. This can result in a tarantula amputating the caught leg to get free, a dangerous fall, or both. But that's beside the point, as this entire enclosure needs to be replaced with an arboreal one. That means it's vertically oriented.
 

viper69

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Have you read the link someone provided you? If not, do so. If you have, any question come back here.

It helps the pet before one buys it to conduct a thorough amount of research. Your setup would be decent for a variety of terrestrials IF there was more substrate to prevent fall injury/death, and didn't have a screen top.
 

viper69

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And what's wrong with large considering that it grows up in a JUNGLE... isn't that big enough
I already mentioned the problem with large setups above, scroll up.

That's a reasonable response. I used to say that.

Do you really think an Avic from Brazil wanders all over the jungles of Brazil????
 
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