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Male or female B. Hamorii based on abdomen?

Buyers are arguing that my hamorii is a sub adult male. She is 5.5" and does not have any hooks on her legs. She also came from a molt which is why her abdomen is small. Unfortunately the exuvia was destroyed

Male or female B. Hamorii based on abdomen?
kerplunk, May 24, 2019
    • Ungoliant
      The body proportions of a juvenile male would be no different. The only way to sex your hamorii right now is with a ventral image or (even better) a molt.
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    • kerplunk
      @Ungoliant Thanks, here is a ventral image, i will try to take a better shot in a few hours.

      They are also arguing that it is a sub-adult male. Is that correct? It is already 5.5". I also checked closely and no sign of tibial spurs..
    • Ungoliant
      @kerplunk Emboli (what all mature males have on the ends of their palps) and tibial spurs/hooks are not present until the male matures.

      A juvenile male looks the same as a female, which is why we have to resort to molt or ventral sexing.

      Your tarantula is definitely not a mature male, but I wouldn't be confident calling it female or male from either of these images.
    • Drea
      It kind of looks one way more than other to me but since the T is for sell I don’t want to speculate.

      Can you get straight shot with no angles that is really clear. At the size it would be easy to see the difference between the male and female. I am already leaning one way but would like to see it with the above things mentioned in order to make a better viewpoint with the reason supporting that view point.
    • Drea
      Side note, are they saying it is a male because of the abdomen size only? There is no way to tell a T’s sex by abdominal size. I have some males that are fatter than there future girlfriends.
    • kerplunk
      @Ungoliant I see. Thanks for the info. Will this shot help a little bit more?
    • kerplunk
      @Drea Thanks drea good to hear from you again, after a long period of deciding I went with a Hamorii instead of Smithi due to availability here. :) I have uploaded 2 more photos in my reply to Ungoliant. What makes it seem female to me is the white strip between the book lungs which is usually not visible with my males but that's an unreliable observation from me, just based on some comments I've read on other pics here.
    • kerplunk
      A bit more clearer shots..
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    • Drea
      @kerplunk that is much better for angle but the clarity is still rough. Plastic critter keeps are not your friends for pictures. Even though is not clear that looks very female by the shape.

      The males will have a similar white line there but the line is very straight. There is a clear curve shape there which strongly indicates female. There are other things to get a better idea but I can’t see it. Even though I can’t see those other things, I would still say she is a female.
    • Drea
      @kerplunk it has been a while indeed.

      As for the buyers, it could be that they are trying to get a better price by saying it’s a male when they know it’s not. Those type of people are out there and if that is the case, I would not do any business with them at all.

      It could be the buyers really believe that one can tell the sex by the abdomen alone. Which is that was the case, I would NOT sell my T to them anyway because they are even doing basic research and I would be worried about my T forever if so sold her to someone who didn’t care enough to study a bit. I just won’t do it.

      IMO, wait for better buyers. If you need the money right away, look for better buyers. That is just my way of doing things. Hope that helps.
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