Wolf Spider care?

[Veles]

So let's see 3 or 4 videos of Sparassids hunting in their natural environment.

What for?

I can not find any videos of sparassids hunting wolf spiders.
EDIT: What clarification do you need?

 

[The Snark]

Photos then? You are such an authority on what and how sparassids hunt you must surely have information and evidence, along with something to disprove their sprint and overwhelm hunting tactics reminiscent of a cheetah.

 

[Veles]

Photos then? You are such an authority on what and how sparassids hunt you must surely have information and evidence, along with something to disprove their sprint and overwhelm hunting tactics reminiscent of a cheetah.

Jesus batman christ on a pogostick has the point went over yur head.

I am not talking purely about their hunting tactics but about the fact they cant overpower lycosidae of similar size.

 

[The Snark]

I would also point out, your average wildebeest or kudu could royally kick a cheetahs butt in a contained confrontation.

 

[The Snark]

So cute.
https://reptilepark.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/spiders_au_huntsman2-1030x686.jpg

 

[Veles]

I would also point out, your average wildebeest or kudu could royally kick a cheetahs butt in a contained confrontation.

Cheetahs do get injured while hunting prey on occasins, getting gored is a thing.
Not to mention a cheetah mostly goes for a smaller prey than an adult kudu.


But this is very bad comparison, sparassids are active hunters and less ambush orientated than per say a big cat.
Not only that but you are comparing predator vs predator to predator vs herbivore.
In the second cases the prey item also has weight adventage by factor of at very least 3.
And i am talking about parity here.

 

[Veles]

https://reptilepark.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/spiders_au_huntsman2-1030x686.jpg

The huntsman has a gross size adventage there.

 

[The Snark]

Not to mention a cheetah mostly goes for a smaller prey than an adult kudu.

That's just wonderful, Sweetypie. And if by dumb luck I manage to get a shot of one of our zoomers doing the chomp on a Lyco, or gecko or skink, I'll certainly post it.
Until then, enjoy. You've got your own fabulous view of asinine.

 

[Veles]

That's just wonderful, Sweetypie

What?

And if by dumb luck I manage to get a shot of one of our zoomers doing the chomp on a Lyco, or gecko or skink, I'll certainly post it.

I very much doubt that will happen.
Well at least of the both spiders are the same size.

Until then, enjoy. You've got your own fabulous view of asinine.

Not my problem that you got your facts wrong.

 

[Dennis Nedry]

Jesus batman christ on a pogostick has the point went over yur head.

I am not talking purely about their hunting tactics but about the fact they cant overpower lycosidae of similar size.

Of course they can overpower a lycosid, some huntsmen are even more robust than a lycosid of a similar size. When a spider bites into another similarly sized spider it's almost always game over, regardless of species. Need proof? Here's a crab spider munching on a much bigger Heteropoda, and before you ask, no the Heteropoda was most likely not already dead https://goo.gl/images/T1kAiU
There's also plenty of videos and photos of huntsman spiders eating mice larger than their body. An a mouse of that size is much stronger than any lycosid

Christ I just realised how old the thread is

 

[Veles]

Of course they can overpower a lycosid, some huntsmen are even more robust than a lycosid of a similar size. When a spider bites into another similarly sized spider it's almost always game over, regardless of species. Need proof? Here's a crab spider munching on a much bigger Heteropoda, and before you ask, no the Heteropoda was most likely not already dead https://goo.gl/images/T1kAiU
There's also plenty of videos and photos of huntsman spiders eating mice larger than their body. An a mouse of that size is much stronger than any lycosid

Christ I just realised how old the thread is

Sure, show me huntsman more robust than similar sized lycosid.

Crab spiders are in no way comparable to Heteropodas, neither in hunting tactics or body build.

Huntsman spiders rarely prey on mice, much less ones bigger than themselves.
There is basically only one video of them doing so.

Nevermind how this is all irrelevant, i provided a video that shows wolf/huntsman spider interaction.
Hell here you can have another one:

 

[Wolfspidurguy]

Today I caught some type of wolf spider and I want to keep it for awhile. So I'm wondering how I should setup its home/substrate and does this spider generally eat anything it can get its fangs on?

thanks.

Back up everyone this is my thing. *deep inhale* get a medium sized plastic box with a clear clip on lid drill a few holes in the lid make sure the walls are high enough to keep it in but still deep enough to burrow Make a small starter burrow hides arent nessissary but you can put one or two in if you want plastic bottle cap lid as a water dish feed it crickets or meal worms or catipillars if its wild caught mine like those try to keep its abdomen slightly larger than its carapase *even biger inhale* theyll pretty much eat any size prey as long as its not like twice the spiders size ive seen mine take down crickets almost bigger than them and mealies longer than them there fast and can jump so keep a catch cup around and my favorate species is Hogna Carolinensis. *heavy breating* and thats why they call me wolfspidurguy

 

[Dennis Nedry]

Sure, show me huntsman more robust than similar sized lycosid.

Crab spiders are in no way comparable to Heteropodas, neither in hunting tactics or body build.

Huntsman spiders rarely prey on mice, much less ones bigger than themselves.
There is basically only one video of them doing so.

Nevermind how this is all irrelevant, i provided a video that shows wolf/huntsman spider interaction.
Hell here you can have another one:

Well you've got your Typostola, Beregama, Neosparassus and Isopeda which are all bulkier than a similarly sized lycosid. And before you say it, no, longer legs doesn't equal less robust.

My point was not that crab spiders are comparable to heteropoda, it was that any spider can kill another similarly sized spider if it is the first one to get a bite in.

My point was not that they regularly prey on mice, it was that they are capable of bringing down prey much larger and stronger than a wolf spider.

You're acting like a wolf spider in a jar is comparable to what goes on in the wild, it's not. There's also been an interaction of a lycosid and a wolf spider posted that showed a huntsman munching on the wolfie

 

[Veles]

Well you've got your Typostola, Beregama, Neosparassus and Isopeda which are all bulkier than a similarly sized lycosid. And before you say it, no, longer legs doesn't equal less robust.

My point was not that crab spiders are comparable to heteropoda, it was that any spider can kill another similarly sized spider if it is the first one to get a bite in.

My point was not that they regularly prey on mice, it was that they are capable of bringing down prey much larger and stronger than a wolf spider.

You're acting like a wolf spider in a jar is comparable to what goes on in the wild, it's not. There's also been an interaction of a lycosid and a wolf spider posted that showed a huntsman munching on the wolfie

Typostola, Beregama, Neosparassus are not bulkier than per say lycosa singoriensis, erythrognatha or narbonensis or hogna carolinensis.


Your second point is also false.
Given how crab spiders to put it bluntly specialize in taking massive prey, that can be a literal order of magnitude bigger than them.

Next you will compare heteropoda to lamponidae.

Prey which tends to not be wolf spiders of course, but mostly large flying insects and roaches which most of the time tend not to be capable of killing the spider back.
I mean, i've provided you with two clear cut accounts of wolf spider easily overpowering the huntsman.

I see no problem with artificial enclosure?
Being in nature outside would make no difference.

Oh you mean that huntsman spider that is like twice the size of lycosid.

 

[Dennis Nedry]

Typostola, Beregama, Neosparassus are not bulkier than per say lycosa singoriensis, erythrognatha or narbonensis or hogna carolinensis.


Your second point is also false.
Given how crab spiders to put it bluntly specialize in taking massive prey, that can be a literal order of magnitude bigger than them.

Next you will compare heteropoda to lamponidae.

Prey which tends to not be wolf spiders of course, but mostly large flying insects and roaches which most of the time tend not to be capable of killing the spider back.
I mean, i've provided you with two clear cut accounts of wolf spider easily overpowering the huntsman.

I see no problem with artificial enclosure?
Being in nature outside would make no difference.

Oh you mean that huntsman spider that is like twice the size of lycosid.

Sure they're bulkier. The Beregama I've kept are much bulkier than the Tasmanicosa I've kept, an there's not much difference between a Tasmanicosa sp and a Hogna carolinensis. I don't think you've ever seen the chunkier Neosparassus, they're almost like a tarantula in terms of bulkiness.

My second point is not about that, what I'm saying is that any huntsman spider can kill a similarly sized wolf spider if it bites first. Have you ever seen a huntsman's fangs? They're massive. One bite and the wolf spider's abdomen is crushed, you could say the exact same thing for a wolf spider biting a huntsman. A bodybuilder with a gun vs a regular person with a gun isn't always going to result in the bodybuilder winning, it doesn't matter how strong they are.

Why would I compare a lamponid to a sparassid? I haven't done that and had no intention of doing so, what does it have to do with anything? If I were going to make a comparison like that I'd pick Portia sp.

Again, you've misunderstood what I've said. My point was not that a huntsman usually hunt mice or other large prey bigger and stronger than wolf spiders, it was that they're capable of taking down such prey. You've also been shown a picture of a huntsman munching on a wolf spider, but you continue to ignore that. And no, there isn't much difference between the body size of the two spiders.

Being in nature makes a massive difference. There are places to run and more than two spiders in a given area among other things. If you've got a huntsman sitting low to the ground on a tree trunk and a wolf spider walks under it the wolf spider is probably going to be eaten.

And no, I'm not talking about a huntsman twice the size of a wolf spider. Huntsmen get a lot bigger than twice the size of the biggest lycosids.

What I'm saying is not that a Lycosid is incapable of bringing down a huntsman, I'm saying is that you talking about how a sparassid is incapable of bringing down a lycosid is simply wrong. Simple logic should tell you that

 

[Veles]

Sure they're bulkier. The Beregama I've kept are much bulkier than the Tasmanicosa I've kept, an there's not much difference between a Tasmanicosa sp and a Hogna carolinensis. I don't think you've ever seen the chunkier Neosparassus, they're almost like a tarantula in terms of bulkiness.

There is difference between carolinensis and Tasmanicosa in bulkiness.
But even going over that Beregama still does not look bulkier.

My second point is not about that, what I'm saying is that any huntsman spider can kill a similarly sized wolf spider if it bites first. Have you ever seen a huntsman's fangs? They're massive. One bite and the wolf spider's abdomen is crushed, you could say the exact same thing for a wolf spider biting a huntsman. A bodybuilder with a gun vs a regular person with a gun isn't always going to result in the bodybuilder winning, it doesn't matter how strong they are.

This is ridiculous comparison, trying to equal an armed human and a spider on some non existant level.

Still you have not provided a single shred of evidence about huntsman killing a lycosid at parity.

Again, you've misunderstood what I've said. My point was not that a huntsman usually hunt mice or other large prey bigger and stronger than wolf spiders, it was that they're capable of taking down such prey. You've also been shown a picture of a huntsman munching on a wolf spider, but you continue to ignore that. And no, there isn't much difference between the body size of the two spiders.

There is very obvious size difference between lycosid and huntsman on the picture.

Giving it a rough estimation would fall in order of huntsman being some 50% larger at the low end.

Being in nature makes a massive difference. There are places to run and more than two spiders in a given area among other things. If you've got a huntsman sitting low to the ground on a tree trunk and a wolf spider walks under it the wolf spider is probably going to be eaten.

In the first video i posted huntsman drops on the wolf spider from above and still gets mulched.

Your point is void.

What I'm saying is not that a Lycosid is incapable of bringing down a huntsman, I'm saying is that you talking about how a sparassid is incapable of bringing down a lycosid is simply wrong. Simple logic should tell you that

This is a strawman argument.
I never claimed huntsman spider can not take down a wolf spider, i said the latter dominate most of the time at parity.

Why would I compare a lamponid to a sparassid? I haven't done that and had no intention of doing so, what does it have to do with anything? If I were going to make a comparison like that I'd pick Portia sp

I am merely doing the same thing you are, that is comparing spiders which have either very specialized hunting tehniques, body shape or prey niche to those who do not.

 

[Dennis Nedry]

There is difference between carolinensis and Tasmanicosa in bulkiness.
But even going over that Beregama still does not look bulkier.

This is ridiculous comparison, trying to equal an armed human and a spider on some non existant level.

Still you have not provided a single shred of evidence about huntsman killing a lycosid at parity.

There is very obvious size difference between lycosid and huntsman on the picture.

Giving it a rough estimation would fall in order of huntsman being some 50% larger at the low end.

In the first video i posted huntsman drops on the wolf spider from above and still gets mulched.

Your point is void.

This is a strawman argument.
I never claimed huntsman spider can not take down a wolf spider, i said the latter dominate most of the time at parity.

I am merely doing the same thing you are, that is comparing spiders which have either very specialized hunting tehniques, body shape or prey niche to those who do not.

Tasmanicosa and Hogna are actually very, very similar. And again, longer legs =\= bulkiness.

Again you've misunderstood what I've said. The comparison is simply to say if I shoot you first you die and if you shoot me first I die, if the huntsman bites the wolf spider first it does and if the wolf spider bites the huntsman first then the huntsman dies. It's not a ridiculous comparison just because you don't get what it means and take it literally.

Do you need evidence? Huntsmen hunt larger and more dangerous prey than lycosids, you yourself don't have any evidence either. Two spiders in a jar isn't evidence.

50% size difference is absolutely not the case. The huntsman isn't nearly that much larger. If anything it is very slightly heavier than that lycosid was, and remember, the lycosid in the second video is larger than the huntsman, huntsmen are relatively flattened compared to wolf spiders

In the first video you posted the huntsman doesn't attack and drop the lycosid. The lycosid attacks the huntsman and the huntsman attempts to run away, but can't.

Except you can't say that they do dominate most of the time. Two videos in captivity isn't evidence for what goes on thousands of times over in the wild.

Neither huntsmen nor wolf spiders are specialists in what they eat, their body shape or hunting technique, they are generalists

 

[Veles]

Tasmanicosa and Hogna are actually very, very similar. And again, longer legs =\= bulkiness.

They are not as similar as you are trying to make them out to be.

And again you have nit actually provided evidence for bulkiness beyond mere statements.

Do you need evidence? Huntsmen hunt larger and more dangerous prey than lycosids, you yourself don't have any evidence either. Two spiders in a jar isn't evidence.

This is not evidence.
Huntsmen do not hunt more "dangerous" prey than lycosids.

And the videos i posted are pure evidence, you are just trying to ignore it.

50% size difference is absolutely not the case. The huntsman isn't nearly that much larger. If anything it is very slightly heavier than that lycosid was, and remember, the lycosid in the second video is larger than the huntsman, huntsmen are relatively flattened compared to wolf spiders

Jt absolutely is the case, lycosidae in the picture has entire body barelly the same aize as huntsmans chephalotrax alone.

Lycosid in the second video perhaps has a bit more volume do to its non flat body shape, but it is not -bigger-

In the first video you posted the huntsman doesn't attack and drop the lycosid. The lycosid attacks the huntsman and the huntsman attempts to run away, butcan't

Huntsman drops on the wolf spider, tries running away and gets eaten.

Again you've misunderstood what I've said. The comparison is simply to say if I shoot you first you die and if you shoot me first I die, if the huntsman bites the wolf spider first it does and if the wolf spider bites the huntsman first then the huntsman dies. It's not a ridiculous comparison just because you don't get what it means and take it literally.

Except huntsman does not get the first bite in the instances i posted.

Except you can't say that they do dominate most of the time. Two videos in captivity isn't evidence for what goes on thousands of times over in the wild.

Then provide evidence to show otherwise, give us an account of huntsman eating a wolf spider at parity.

Neither huntsmen nor wolf spiders are specialists in what they eat, their body shape or hunting technique, they are generalists

The point>>>>>>>>>



Your head

 

[Dennis Nedry]

They are not as similar as you are trying to make them out to be.

And again you have nit actually provided evidence for bulkiness beyond mere statements.

This is not evidence.
Huntsmen do not hunt more "dangerous" prey than lycosids.

And the videos i posted are pure evidence, you are just trying to ignore it.

Jt absolutely is the case, lycosidae in the picture has entire body barelly the same aize as huntsmans chephalotrax alone.

Lycosid in the second video perhaps has a bit more volume do to its non flat body shape, but it is not -bigger-

Huntsman drops on the wolf spider, tries running away and gets eaten.

Except huntsman does not get the first bite in the instances i posted.

Then provide evidence to show otherwise, give us an account of huntsman eating a wolf spider at parity.

The point>>>>>>>>>



Your head

They are very similar, almost identical in build actually.
Tasmanicosa:
https://goo.gl/images/aPTcrp
H. caroliensis:
https://goo.gl/images/hT1Bos
If you actually looked them up to see what I'm talking about, you might see some evidence beyond mere statements.

How don't they hunt more dangerous prey than lycosids? A mouse could probably bite a huntsman in half. I have no reason to believe that a mouse which can injure something as large as a snake or large tarantula is less dangerous prey than a lycosid

The videos you posted are not pure evidence. What don't you understand about two spiders in a jar isn't going to show what happens thousands of times over in the wild? There are all sorts of variables in the wild that you don't get in captivity

You've got no idea what you're talking about if you think that huntsman's carapace is the size of that wolf spider. Look at the picture and tell me how that makes any sense at all. You can even see that it's longer than the width of the carapace, and the width of the carapace isn't that different to its length in huntsmen. You also can't say that because the huntsman is feeding on the wolf spider and has been for who knows how long.

Since when does more volume not make something bigger? It is bigger.

The huntsman does not drop it. Do I need to get a frame by frame sequence of what happens?
Watch the video from 0:47 - 0:52.

0:47 the huntsman is sitting on the wall


0:48 the wolf spider attacks the huntsman


0:49 - 0:52 the huntsman attempts to run away. It doesn't drop the wolf spider


You still haven't given an account of a wolf spider eating a huntsman at parity that takes place outside a container.

The point went over my head, alright, how about you explain

 

[Veles]

They are very similar, almost identical in build actually.
Tasmanicosa:
https://goo.gl/images/aPTcrp
H. caroliensis:
https://goo.gl/images/hT1Bos
If you actually looked them up to see what I'm talking about, you might see some evidence beyond mere statements.

I am still seeing hogna as a bit bulkier but nevermind.
It is beside the point.

How don't they hunt more dangerous prey than lycosids? A mouse could probably bite a huntsman in half. I have no reason to believe that a mouse which can injure something as large as a snake or large tarantula is less dangerous prey than a lycosid

They hunt mice because they(huntsmen) are much larger than wolf spiders and can do it.

House mice do not injure snakes, order of magnitude bigger rats do.
Tarantulas are a big IF too.

The videos you posted are not pure evidence. What don't you understand about two spiders in a jar isn't going to show what happens thousands of times over in the wild? There are all sorts of variables in the wild that you don't get in captivity

And here we go again, variables that exist in nature would make little to no difference.

Of course i am still looking forward to you posting some evidence yourself, but that will clearly not happen as it seems.

You'vegot no idea what you're talking about if you think that huntsman's carapace is the size of that wolf spider. Look at the picture and tell me how that makes any sense at all. You can even see that it's longer than the width of the carapace, and the width of the carapace isn't that different to its length in huntsmen. You also can't say that because the huntsman is feeding on the wolf spider and has been for who knows how long

By bigger you mean "barely at that" which still makes huntsman the much larger spider there.

And the only thing huntsman could have affected in size by eating is the abdomen.

Thehuntsman does not drop it. Do I need to get a frame by frame sequence of what happens?
Watch the video from 0:47 - 0:52.

Alas! Your abysmal reading comprehension skills strike again!

I was talking about the first video.

You still haven't given an account of a wolf spider eating a huntsman at parity that takes place outside a container.

I really have no need to provide anything beside those.

Given how you have provided......0 evidence yourself.

Thepoint went over my head, alright, how about you explain

Ah, I see. You are one of those potato plants who failed elementary reading comprehension and so has to have everything pointed out in neon lights. Very well, I shall hereby dumb my post down and, instead of forming my argument in a single, unbroken text, split it up into little bits so your little potato head could understand my points - for I have indeed responded to many of these repeatedly, and the only other explanation is that you are deliberately ignoring my posts.