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Wild Caught Brachypelma albopilosum from Nicaragua

Discussion in 'Tarantula Chat' started by Exoskeleton Invertebrates, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. Exoskeleton Invertebrates

    Exoskeleton Invertebrates Arachnoprince Old Timer

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    Here I have a female from Nicaragua Brachypelma albopilosum. will try to acquire a male for future new bloodline wild caught specimens.

    Not the best photo it's just a sample.

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  2. cold blood

    cold blood Moderator Staff Member

    Just curious how you were able to procure a WC Brachy. She's a beaut, best of luck locating a proper MM.
     
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  3. Exoskeleton Invertebrates

    Exoskeleton Invertebrates Arachnoprince Old Timer

    Didn't you know curiosity killed the cat. I can get more wild caught Brachypelma albopilosum but getting a male will be a little tuff since I am only able to get them unsexed. The female I have is roughly 4.5" inches to 5" inches.
     
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  4. argiop

    argiop Arachnopeon

    you should be carefull, my friend once offered animals without papers and soon after posting the info online, officers visited him, confiscated the animals. this happened in Poland 3 years ago
     
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  5. Poec54

    Poec54 Arachnoemperor Active Member

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    Unfortunately, for the vast majority of the species in the hobby now, there are no new bloodlines, nor is there any likelihood of it in the future. We will eventually find out if there are any long term effects from inbreeding.
     
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  6. argiop

    argiop Arachnopeon

    the way (although not ideal) would be to exchange animals between USA and Europe. I usually try to buy animals from abroad to refresh the blood and reduce possible effects of inbreeding.
     
  7. Illusion

    Illusion Arachnosquire

    I like your substrate... ;)
     
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  8. Poec54

    Poec54 Arachnoemperor Active Member

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    That would be of little help. Almost all of our species originated as CBB slings imported from Europe. They have a limited stock that they keep reproducing from. Getting more from the wild is increasingly difficult: many species are from remote tropical areas, and most countries are shutdown for exporting animals. With the majority of species, what we have now is it, and they're already related.
     
  9. Chris LXXIX

    Chris LXXIX ArachnoGod Active Member

    True. Things are different in Europe, and in Italy in particular. Here you can't own a genus Brachypelma Theraphosidae without the papers that proves that your specimen is a CB, with the date of hatch etc everything, otherwise no stories, you're a smuggler. Go figure a Pet Shop with WC.
    More than a decade ago, someone with 1000+ T's (a breeder btw) went in trouble for three (3) "Brachys" without those papers, not for his "army" of Baboons, "Haplos" etc (and the Arachnid Ban was already on).

    In one of our forums (Comment N°12) user 00xyz00 explain that well:
    http://forum.aracnofilia.org/topic/8750-spiderling-di-brachypelma-con-cites/
     
  10. Exoskeleton Invertebrates

    Exoskeleton Invertebrates Arachnoprince Old Timer

    This is not new Brachypelma albopilosum has been imported from Nicaragua months ago. I'm sure if it was totally illegal to get wild caught Brachypelma albopilosum from Nicaragua importers that have been in business for many years would label them differently of just simply won't touch the species.
    Obviously we know that in Mexico all species in the Genus Brachypelma are Appendix II Cites does this also mean in Nicaragua as well? What happens if for some odd reasons a new species in the Brachypelma genus is discovered in Panama, Costa Rica, South America etc. will that be considered Appendix II CITES?
    Besides in the past importers have sold CB Brachypelma sp. that came from Mexico. This species had papers.
     
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  11. argiop

    argiop Arachnopeon

    As far as I know, CITES II regulates all international trade of the whole Brachypelma genus. If a new species is found, it would be protected automatically. No matter whether from Mexico or Nicaragua.
     
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  12. peterUK

    peterUK Arachnoknight Old Timer

    There has recently been a large import from Nicaragua of WC Brachypelma albopilosum into the UK
     
  13. Chris LXXIX

    Chris LXXIX ArachnoGod Active Member

    Doesn't matter, man. All the Brachypelma genus is (should... it's better, according to those facts you mentioned which i don't doubt) protected by CITES. The nation where they caught those WC doesn't matter, the genus is the important thing.
    As far as i know, only Italy (seems a joke, i know) respect that without "if" "what" "no, i.." etc
     
  14. Chris LXXIX

    Chris LXXIX ArachnoGod Active Member

    Papers, or nothing. This should been the right behave for own a genus Brachypelma one. Nature and the enviroment should be respected.

    Here when you buy one of that genus Theraphosidae you receive the papers with everything on it. No papers? Don't buy.
    100% CB proved, from skilled breeders who breed CB specimens. What's right is right.
     
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  15. Exoskeleton Invertebrates

    Exoskeleton Invertebrates Arachnoprince Old Timer

    Yeah I know a couple of places that have large numbers of them.
     
  16. Exoskeleton Invertebrates

    Exoskeleton Invertebrates Arachnoprince Old Timer

    Wether papers were presented to collect/receive this species I couldn't tell you. I just know that they made it to US soil. It's an invasion of the Brachy's.
     
  17. Exoskeleton Invertebrates

    Exoskeleton Invertebrates Arachnoprince Old Timer

    I wonder of the Canal that's being built in Nicaragua has anything to do with new imports.
     
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  18. Chris LXXIX

    Chris LXXIX ArachnoGod Active Member

    Chinese are smuggling those? :) joking
     
  19. Poec54

    Poec54 Arachnoemperor Active Member

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    Right, just like with illegal drugs...
     
  20. Exoskeleton Invertebrates

    Exoskeleton Invertebrates Arachnoprince Old Timer

    Why do you have to bring the "Cartels" AKA "El Chapo" into this mess?