Tityus stigmurus pics

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ophiophagus

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Hey everyone I haven't kept scorpions in several years and I really liked this species so I just picked two up.(that danimal!) And I figured I'd share a few pics of this bad ass scorpion species.These are subadults that are a little under an inch from the mouth to the base of the tail. Enjoy and let me know what you think.



 
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Yes they are very very HOT !!! I got 6 of them from him about 2 weeks ago and they are great love these scorpions
 
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MOBugGuy said:
There venom is 5/5. Ill be gettin mine from him this week to I cant wait.
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L. quinquestriatus 0.255 mg/kg (5)
A. australis 0.32mg/kg (5)


Both species listed here are regarded as 5's on the scale

T. serrulatus 0.43 - 1.00 mg/kg (4)
T.stigmurus 0.773 mg/kg

With T. serrultus regarded as a 4, and seeing how T. stigmurus falls between the recorded LD50 of the afore mentioned species... I think your enthusiasm for T stig being a 5 is failed in the logic department.

Not that I am trying to burst your bubble or anything....

I think Michiel once said, and I am paraphrasing, " Tityus species are dangerous, regardless of their ranking on the 'popular' venom scale."
 
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Sweet scorp! I love their very nice bright colours they have. How do you "handle" them? Not as in let them crawl over u but how do u clean their enclosures? This is quite dangerous and mistakes are not an option here. I am getting a few pcs of AA scorplings and i would like to learn more on how others deal with their hot species.
 
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Bayushi said:
L. quinquestriatus 0.255 mg/kg (5)
A. australis 0.32mg/kg (5)


Both species listed here are regarded as 5's on the scale

T. serrulatus 0.43 - 1.00 mg/kg (4)
T.stigmurus 0.773 mg/kg

With T. serrultus regarded as a 4, and seeing how T. stigmurus falls between the recorded LD50 of the afore mentioned species... I think your enthusiasm for T stig being a 5 is failed in the logic department.

Not that I am trying to burst your bubble or anything....

I think Michiel once said, and I am paraphrasing, " Tityus species are dangerous, regardless of their ranking on the 'popular' venom scale."
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Cool, thanks for the info... I just get the info from what I read online. You got any links on how to read the ld50 chart?
 
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Well, LD50 values aren't always the most accurate. One, they are tested on mice, and mice are not people. And I am with Bayushi, that T. serrulatus is more a "4" or a "4+"* out of five, and that the 1-5 number scale is just a way of easily communicating or getting an idea of the venom toxicity of a particular species.

For example, if T. trivittatus* has an LD50 value of 2.5 mg/kg, that means that 2.5 mg of its venom lead to the death of 50 percent of tested mice. Does that make sense? I am correct?

Another example is given in the "Commonly Used Thread Index and Emergency Information" section--LD50 table.

*I used the LD50 value for Tityus spp. for the value of T. trivittatus.
*In Manny Rubio's book "Scorpions", he uses a scale of 1-5.

I hope this helps a little.:)
 
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I don't really get how the whole 1-5 scale. To me if a scorpion can kill you and has recent deaths attributed to it, then it should be a 5. :? I would consider anything with an LD50 under one to be a 5. To me 1-5 scales are kind of like common names, allmost useless. Any tityus or andro can kick your butt, even if it's a 4. Scorpions come in two catagories with me. Stuff I will hold and stuff I wont.
 
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2nscorpx said:
Well, LD50 values aren't always the most accurate. One, they are tested on mice, and mice are not people. And I am with Bayushi, that T. serrulatus is more a "4" or a "4+"* out of five, and that the 1-5 number scale is just a way of easily communicating or getting an idea of the venom toxicity of a particular species.

For example, if T. trivittatus* has an LD50 value of 2.5 mg/kg, that means that 2.5 mg of its venom lead to the death of 50 percent of tested mice. Does that make sense? I am correct?

Another example is given in the "Commonly Used Thread Index and Emergency Information" section--LD50 table.

*I used the LD50 value for Tityus spp. for the value of T. trivittatus.
*In Manny Rubio's book "Scorpions", he uses a scale of 1-5.

I hope this helps a little.:)
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Seems like you are mainly regurgitating what you heard and what you read in popular books....Books like that of Rubio give a lot of information, but it doesn't tell the whole story, which was not the aim of the book. So, you will not read the specifics in such books. Mice are not people you say, which is of course true, but do you know why mice are used? Because there is only 1,5-2 % difference between the DNA of mice and humans...You are right, the LD50 method is not always very accurate and very much debated the last years....

I agree with what you say about the 1-5 scale. It is handy and indicatory....

But remember, it is not more than that. I.e. Tityus obscurus has an LD50 of over 10., while others have it below 1, it is still medically important and there has been one fatality with these species in recent years....
 
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Michiel said:
Seems like you are mainly regurgitating what you heard and what you read in popular books....Books like that of Rubio give a lot of information, but it doesn't tell the whole story, which was not the aim of the book. So, you will not read the specifics in such books. Mice are not people you say, which is of course true, but do you know why mice are used? Because there is only 1,5-2 % difference between the DNA of mice and humans...You are right, the LD50 method is not always very accurate and very much debated the last years....
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Yeah, true. I was thinking Rubio's book was an easy-to-refer to source.

Michiel said:
I agree with what you say about the 1-5 scale. It is handy and indicatory....

But remember, it is not more than that. I.e. Tityus obscurus has an LD50 of over 10., while others have it below 1, it is still medically important and there has been one fatality with these species in recent years....
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That is also true. I forgot to mention that. Thanks for correcting me and giving me a better understanding.:)
 
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praetorian2150 said:
keep a Tityus like you would a cobra :)
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That is bit extreme, though your enthusiasm is well noted. Caring for cobras and scorpions are 2 completely different beasts. A scorpion can not hit you from 1-8ft away(depending on size ofcourse)! With Tityus just make sure that they have absolutely no way out of the enclosure, even an adult of some Tityus species can get out of anything you can slide a quarter through. Atleast thats the rule of thumb that I use with them. They are great escape artists and remember where the chinks in the armor are located. I observed it first hand.
 
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the toe cutter said:
That is bit extreme, though your enthusiasm is well noted. Caring for cobras and scorpions are 2 completely different beasts. A scorpion can not hit you from 1-8ft away(depending on size ofcourse)! With Tityus just make sure that they have absolutely no way out of the enclosure, even an adult of some Tityus species can get out of anything you can slide a quarter through. Atleast thats the rule of thumb that I use with them. They are great escape artists and remember where the chinks in the armor are located. I observed it first hand.
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as a rule of thumb for me, anything super hot, act like you have a cobra and you will never ever have a problem. my old cornsnake was quite the joker too when it came to escapes :) btw, is your name from the road warrior?
 
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1-5 is just a reference and shouldn't be taken as a fact. Then add to the factor some ones with a lower LD50 have a more painful sting then others.
 
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Ecstasy said:
1-5 is just a reference and shouldn't be taken as a fact. Then add to the factor some ones with a lower LD50 have a more painful sting then others.
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The amount of pain they cause and the amount of dead they cause are two different things and not necessarily related. If I'm going to get stung I'd rather get stung by one that hurts like hell but won't kill me rather than one that I can barely feel but I'll be dead in an hour.

Seems like a lot of bickering going on over details of a species that, suffice to say, you don't want to get tagged by.
 
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this thread is 5 years old sschind :D

I was thinking old friends had come back to AB! Perhaps not this day..
 
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G. Carnell said:
this thread is 5 years old sschind :D

I was thinking old friends had come back to AB! Perhaps not this day..
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Sorry, I rarely look at the dates unless its a classified ad because the info is often still relevant and 9 times out of 10 forgotten by most.

I wonder why they have a "similar threads" section if they don't want you digging up old ones. If it is truly such a big deal they should just pick a cutoff age and automatically lock all threads older than that.
 
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