Yeah, they are all natural born A**holes. One friend used to say that if these were 6ft instead of 3ft, all animal life would have evolved from them
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If you can narrow it down to a single cause or motivating factor, could you post it? There are several snakes at the farm that do this habitually. Why they initially started is a mystery. A female O. Hannah, a female Burm, a tree viper - sex unk, and a couple of Kaouthai. Moving the kaouthai to the large communal enclosure didn't help as they would rub away at the concrete wall. Isolating the Burm helped, but no idea why. Covered the viper pen (complete darkness) for several days and relocated it helped though it still strikes at the glass occasionally. Hannah quit on her own, again unknown why.
I can think of a few things:
Well considering that coral snake was likely dying its understandble that they could get away with free handling that, even Al (Viperkeeper) cannot keep them alive for long even with force feeding, they even refused dead baby cornsnakes.Snark, for some reason your last post is deleted but anyway, it is not hannah's only unfortunately. They are doing it with a bunch of venomous snakes including kraits.
Here are some *examples:
*Dislaimer: Non of these animals are mine. I am just reposting some pictures which was shared publicly by other individuals. Venomous snakes should not be free-handled by anyone.
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I agree but why no lab will buy the venom from you?
Because my house does not meet the expected sterility standards that a European venom research facility would expect.
Jumping through hoops of fire? Drop sinks. NSF or equiv approved wall coverings and splash guards and so on? I understand it's about the same as government sponsored and certified food production facilities.
I see. But let me say that i've seen hospitals here less clean than your house, ah ah. Btw i recognize you.. you have a YT channel.. you are a Galatasaray S.K supporter?
Don't be fooled. Hospitals that don't restrict casual visitors access are filthy. The only thing that keeps them from being disease propagators is the continual efforts of housekeeping and their protocols, policies and procedures. Labs on the other hand usually restrict access and constantly monitor potential disease and contamination sources.
I know Sir. That was just for say (even if we know it's true about hospitals) i know that labs are a sort of "Star Trek/Resident Evil/Don't enter unless you pass through a 90° boiled complete wash" areas. Just that, me, being an idiot, have a part of me who thinks that when it comes to venom, and rare animals venom, all the available help should be considered important, but there's those standards to deal with.
I recall one paper published on the life span and reproductive ability of snakes kept specifically for venom extraction. I'm sure there are several similar papers as you have ideal circumstances to establish an analysis. My recollection is fuzzy but all milked snakes suffered some degree of stress but some far more than others. Shortened life span was common and predictable with all of them but reproduction varied widely from species to species. If memory serves, O Hannah would not reproduce at all at one end of the spectrum and certain crotalids were entirely unaffected.
Yeah, I have worked in a genetics lab where I was doing bacterial genetics research and my room is not at that standard even though I keep it clean.
If someone approaches me for venom of any of the snakes I have with legitimate need, I will gladly help out and take them to a research facility where we can get this done properly.
But my main aversion to milking for venom is, I don't want to put the animals and myself under stress just for cash.
Yeah, especially shy snakes, who live in the rain forest canopy get really stressed out. Asian Coral Snakes are a great example.