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Tarantula Societies

Discussion in 'Tarantula Questions & Discussions' started by Martin H., Dec 29, 2004.

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    Here's all Societies together as I've had it at my site:

    The International Society of Arachnology (ISA) http://arachnology.org/
    British Tarantula Society (BTS) http://www.thebts.co.uk/
    Australian Tarantula Association (ATA) http://theata.org
    Malaysian Tarantula Society (MTS) http://www.mtsociety.com/
    The South and West Tarantula Society (S&WTS) http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/spidernorton/
    The American Tarantula Society (ATS) http://www.atshq.org
    The American Arachnological Society (AAS) http://www.americanarachnology.org/
    Vogelspinnen Vereniging Nederland (VVN) http://www.vogelspin.com/
    British Arachnological Society (BAS) http://www.britishspiders.org.uk/html/bas.php
    Deutsche Arachnologische Gesellschaft e.V. (DeArGe) http://www.dearge.de/
    Exotiske Insekter http://www.einet.dk/htmlindex.htm
    The Japan Tarantula Society (JTS) http://www.scope-jp.com/jts/
    Arachnological Society of Japan (ASJ) http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~hi2h-ikd/asjapan/eindex.htm
    Aracnideos da Internet Brasileira (ABrA) http://members.lycos.co.uk/abrabrasil/ordens.php?
    Aracnofilia - Associazione Italiana di Aracnologia http://www.aracnofilia.org/
    Australasian Arachnological Society (AAS) http://www.australasian-arachnology.org/
    Groupe D'etude Des Arachnides (G.E.A. Group) http://gea.free.fr/portal.php
    Sociedad Espanola de Criadores de Artropodos (SECA) http://www.seca-org.com/
    Arachnida Schweiz http://www.arachnida.ch/
    Greek Tarantula Society (GTS) http://www.reptilesalonica.com/gts.html

    Anything new?
  2. Philippines!!!

    coudnt find on the web.:wall:


    saw from news on TV.:wall:

    i think tarsier knows where it is...{D
  3. Morbus ascendit

    Morbus ascendit Arachnopeon


    Here's the SCSA's "new" URL:
    ... not too much content to be found there!

    It was for some days ...
    The website has relaunched with a new design :)

  4. AR-Tarantula

    AR-Tarantula Arachnoknight Old Timer

    ATS thoughts

    The changes within the ATS got me thinking about that organization in general. Having kept tarantulas for only the past 3-4 years, I was aware of the American Tarantula Society early on. I have never joined and the main reason I haven't as I just don't have a good vibe about the organization (for right or wrong). I really can't nail down why, just heard various things, ready various things. It seems to me that there is also limited "cross-pollination" between ATS and Arachnoboard members (again, I could be incorrect in my perceptions). Just interested in thoughts others might have to set me straight.
  5. Michael Jacobi

    Michael Jacobi RETIRED/RARELY USE AB Arachnosupporter

    You've baited me and I've taken the worm... now where's the Mezcal?

    I have been an outspoken critic of the ATS. However, the primary problem with the ATS, in my opinion and that of many others, has been RG "spiderbob" Breene. I'll fully admit to contempt for outgoing president Rhys Brigida and a significantly strained relationship with new president Darrin Vernier, but with Breene ousted there is a possibility for the ATS to progress - a word not in Breene's vocabulary.

    There is a misconception regarding my attitude towards the ATS that I'd like to take this opportunity to publicly correct. I do not, and have never, wanted the ATS to fail. I hope, and always have hoped, that it will get an influx of talented new blood and progress and succeed. Whether that will happen in the near future remains to be seen. Over the past year I have been contacted by four separate groups seeking to involve me in an American organization that would compete directly with the ATS. I turned down every one of them and told them all the same thing: contrary to popular belief, I am not anti-ATS, I am just "anti" some of the members of the insulated clique that has directed it. My personal feelings for Darrin Vernier aside, I believe there is a possibility that he can improve the ATS. I hope he succeeds.

    Cheers, Michael
    Last edited: May 1, 2006
  6. Venom

    Venom Arachnoprince Old Timer

    Yeah, I've noticed that too. With AB being the hub of the American arachnohobby, you'd think the ATS would have a presence here, but aside from aside from members of AB mentioning they're in the ATS, I've never seen ATS play any part in the forum. Does anyone know why they are maintaining this separation?
  7. Michael Jacobi

    Michael Jacobi RETIRED/RARELY USE AB Arachnosupporter

    That's a huge can of worms you've opened there, my friend, and one that I - uncharacteristicly ;) - will stay out of. :wicked: MJ
  8. gphx

    gphx Arachnosquire Old Timer

    Hello Michael,

    As in days of old, we're not always on so different a page. As always though, the policy of the ATS is to release announcements through its own homepage, message board, and other communications. As it turns out, the Presidential Address I've been working on for weeks addresses many of your concerns. If you'd care to read it go to:

    click on Message Board
    click on Announcements
    click on Presidential Address.

  9. Steve Nunn

    Steve Nunn Arachnoprince Old Timer

    I see, so it was all sb's fault. Well palmed off.
  10. gphx

    gphx Arachnosquire Old Timer

    Hello Steve,

    Are you talking about my post, or Michael's recent post?
    In any event there is much to do. Talk to you later.
  11. Steve Nunn

    Steve Nunn Arachnoprince Old Timer

    Hello Darrin,
    I'm talking to you.

    EDIT: ignore me, I'm a good friend of sb's and I'm taking this all to personally. I'm just having a most difficult time believing it was all sb, as your post stated. As I said I'm taking this too personally.

    Wishing you and the ATS all the best for the future :)

    Last edited: May 1, 2006
  12. esotericman

    esotericman Arachnobaron Old Timer

    Surprisingly, I have a hard time pointing at JUST AB or just ATS members. Up until less than a year ago, Michael was a MAJOR supporter of the ATS. Check the threads here, I lost count of the number of times he sent folks to the ATS from HERE! I so thoroughly enjoyed meeting him at the last ATS conference, that I can not wait to see him again at Acon (don't forget that bamboo!)

    Debby and I and many other talk about how they are two different groups. So what, different, does not imply competition or anything negative.

    I personally do only those things that support the hobby. I'm here on AB, ATS, BTS, and also Michael's arboreal tarantula list. Once the semester ends I'll be on arachnofreaks more and with the ATA... and I subscribe to Arachnoculture and soon Sklipkan.

    Do I put all of this in my signature? Nope. So the ATS and it's members are here, there and everywhere... just as AB folks are all over, and all the international folks too... and all those who just stop by the sites and don't even sign up!

    I think a very tiny, yet vocal minority seem to play up the "us and them" stuff. There is NO separation in the "higher" ups. I've looked for it, I searched, never have I seen it.

    Go to the info, and realize that no one source will fill every gap. Rumors, smoke and mirrors and other intangible things do not lead to bred spiders, or healthy pets.

  13. Steve Nunn

    Steve Nunn Arachnoprince Old Timer

    Hi Christian,
    You are right, there are in fact many ATS members here, they just don't openly display it.

    I know with The ATA, my "online responsibility" lies in that site first and foremost, all other sites follow, I'm sure all the ATS hierachy would feel the same (and rightly so) too.

    I really don't see or have never seen an "us"and "them" scenario played out except with those who perhaps post on only one of the boards. Wade is a fount of knowledge and has posted here forever and a day, he's one of the ATS board :)

    Also, at this point I have to talk about the BTS membership board and Phil's excellent forum based in the UK, The Tarantula Store. By far The Tarantula Store gets more posts then that of the BTS, nearly every board member of the great long term society is a Tarantula Store member. Not once has there ever been any suggestion of "us" and "them" in the UK. The BTS holds the largest exhibition in the area and all members of the Tarantula Store express nothing but open support. Hopefully, the people in the US can unite in such a way eventually, would do wonders for the hobby over there :)

  14. Michael Jacobi

    Michael Jacobi RETIRED/RARELY USE AB Arachnosupporter

    Christian is correct. I have been a major supporter of the ATS in the past. I attended the last three ATS conferences and was a guest speaker at the last two. For at least a couple of years I put a flyer for the ATS in every order I shipped. I offered to build the ATS a professional website as a donation. Obviously events occurred that caused me to discontinue my support, but I won't comment any further here. In the end, what I want is all of us to work as allies to the advancement of the hobby. It is my hope that "ATS 2.0" won't consider Arachnoboards, ArachnoCon, or my Arachnoculture magazine as adversaries, but rather important partners in the advancement of the hobby in the United States and beyond. It is perfectly understandable for the ATS to disseminate most of its information through its own forum and website, but as Arachnoboards has some 7000 members, it would be unwise for the ATS to not make maximum use of the largest arachnocultural site in the world.

    Steve, I don't know what your history or relationship with Breene is, but I cannot fathom how you would take it personally that Americans who have had frequent interactions with Breene should speak against him. The reason I never built a pro site for the ATS was due to Breene's refusal to change. The old site was a disorganized mess and he insisted that I keep all links the same just so he wouldn't have to relearn how to navigate an impossible to navigate site. I also was told that I could put all the long hours into it - something that I have been paid very well for by clients - but the person who created the poor site would remain the webmaster and likely undo my good work. Breene personally attacked me in print in a recent edition of the Forum magazine. His abrasive personality has alienated many and negatively impacted the public relations of the ATS. As his friend I can understand your support of him, but you cannot possibly have an objective view on what has taken place over the years in the ATS and its relationship with the American hobbyist. Breene is a member of this forum and is perfectly capable of commenting himself should he choose.

    I have not read Darrin's "Presidential Address" yet, but shall do so now. However, I have commented enough and will have no more to say here. Hopefully my point has been made: personal differences and politics don't, as Christian wrote, breed more spiders or result in healthier "pets". They also don't promote the hobby, contribute to a reduction in arachnophobia, or otherwise do anything productive. For my own reasons, I am no longer a member or supporter of the ATS. I do, however, wish them well and hope that the future will change relationships at large.

    Cheers, Michael
    Last edited: May 2, 2006
  15. Arachnopets

    Arachnopets Arachnoboards Team Staff Member

    Admin Note

    Hey All,

    The purpose of this thread is to discuss what organizations are out there, not to discuss the organizations themselves. Please keep this thread on topic. Any discussions about the organizations themselves should be directed at those organizations. Asking someone at Universal Studios about Disney World won't get you any answers :)

    The AB Team
  16. Steve Nunn

    Steve Nunn Arachnoprince Old Timer

    Hi Michael,
    Just a quick reply, I don't want to cloud the thread too much ;)

    I know how abbrassive Bob is, and I know a lot of people don't get along with him (I also know what he wrote in the last ATS forum, I didn't agree with that at all, it was a cheap jab and a silly thing to do). But, I know what I know and it is going to have influence on my thoughts. IMO there's a lot more to this then is spoken about publicly and that is why I have said something.

    And yes, like you are, sb is a good friend to me and I will regardless of others opinions, continue to stand up for what I believe to be true and correct. The public portrayal of sb I feel is untrue and incorrect. That is the only reason I have spoken up at all. I know he did some things poorly, but I know others have done worse too and that's not mentioned at all. I don't want to see a friend of mine made into a patsy for others mistakes too (not just his own). There have been numerous times in the past I've reamed sb a new one, we've had our arguments over time for sure, but I still have respect for him in many ways and he has treated me well and with respect. If I listened to others rather then form my own opinion of someone, I don't think I could communicate with too many on these boards at all. So I go with what I know :) This is the thing, I'm not arguing people interactions with him, I disagree with the ATS board placing the blame entirely on to sb, that is wrong in my opinion. I'm not arguing how other people's experiences have been with sb (which is why you couldn't fathom it, that's not my intention at all ;)).

    If someone spoke ill publicly of you and I disagreed, I would speak out in a flash and defend you as my personal friend. I'm just doing the same for sb and maybe I've taken the remarks too personally. So, I must bow out gracefully as possible and hope to move on, hopefully without embarrassing myself too much ;) LOL

    Sorry arachnomoderators, I just had to make it clear where I was coming from ;)

    Last edited: May 2, 2006
  17. MrDeranged

    MrDeranged He Who Rules Staff Member

  18. The same mistakes we always made, my friends.
    We all try to associate PERSONS to Societies... that's no good and do not hold water...
    Sorry for wrong post, Scott, but this is so...

    We listed Clubs and Societies, as well as arachnological and specialised tarantula organizations together.
    Should we separate the list - 1-Socieaties|Associations, 2 - Clubs or all these does not has sence? As well as Arachnological on one hand and theraphosid related on other?
    Last edited: May 3, 2006
  19. gphx

    gphx Arachnosquire Old Timer

    Out of respect for appropriateness of venue as very reasonably requested by the moderators and/or list owners, those who feel compelled to reply to this thread are requested to do so here: http://www.atshq.org/forum/index.php .

    If the moderators don't consider this post in itself to be appropriate just zap it with no further explanation necessary.


  20. MrDeranged

    MrDeranged He Who Rules Staff Member

    It's not that there is anything wrong with your post, necessarily. But any and all discussions of any organization should be directed to that specific organization in question. The thread itself is fine as long as it remains as initially intended (for the sole purpose of sharing various organizations around the world.) :)