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Tarantula keep frogs as pets?

Discussion in 'Tarantula Chat' started by whovian89, Sep 11, 2017.

  1. whovian89

    whovian89 Arachnopeon

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    Is this true or just a myth? giant-tarantulas-keep-tiny-frogs-as-pets-insects-will-eat-16381259.png
     
  2. ThisMeansWAR

    ThisMeansWAR Arachnosquire

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  3. Camman1983

    Camman1983 Arachnopeon Active Member

  4. Moakmeister

    Moakmeister Arachnobaron Active Member

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    It's true. The two have a mutualistic relationship. The H. arizonensis scorpion and different species of death feigning beetle live together and share meals in the wild, and a lot of people keep them communally.
     
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  5. Walker253

    Walker253 Arachnobaron Active Member

    I had the opportunity to buy some of the blue death feigning beetles at the last show. I was going to put them with my H arizonensis. I forgot and left without them. Kicked myself driving away. Hopefully, I see them again soon
     
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    viper69 ArachnoGod Old Timer

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  7. TRection

    TRection Arachnoknight Active Member

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  8. GreyPsyche

    GreyPsyche Arachnosquire

    Don't try it at home. A hungry T eats what it must, lol.
     
  9. dragonfire1577

    dragonfire1577 Arachnobaron Active Member

    Hadrurus and the feigning beetle are different than this situation I'm pretty sure, This is a case where the spider could easily kill the frog if it wanted, Hadrurus just tolerate the beetles because they can't eat them.
     
  10. vespers

    vespers Arachnodemon

    The T likely cannot kill and eat the microhylids, either, due the the toxins in the frog's skin.
     
  11. dragonfire1577

    dragonfire1577 Arachnobaron Active Member

    Yeah it would seem most situations like this involve the larger predator being unable to eat the other animal so leaving it alone, although off my head I can think of western banded geckos, Coleonyx variegatus and stripe tailed scorpions, Hoffmannius spinigerus being a case where the scorp could possibly kill the other animal but doesn't.
     
  12. GreyPsyche

    GreyPsyche Arachnosquire

    Yeah I also thought of this but I'm curious how a captive bred T would know not to eat the said frog. Could go either way IMO. Things happen in captivity that don't happen in the wild and vice versa.
     
  13. Tim Benzedrine

    Tim Benzedrine Prankster Possum Arachnosupporter

    "Pets" is being rather anthropomorphic, probably. More like "symbiotic", I think...
     
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  14. keks

    keks Arachnobaron Active Member

    Doesn't that mean that tarantulas after all have something like a "reflective thinking"? Everybody says that tarantulas have not "enough brain" for thinking about something. But if they know that just this frogs are saving their eggs and leaving it alive for that reason is still needing a kind of "thinking"?
    I hope this is understandable? I just miss a lot of right words and grammatic knowledge .... :bag::shifty:.
     
  15. AphonopelmaTX

    AphonopelmaTX Moderator Staff Member

    That toxic substance produced by the frog makes them unpalatable to tarantulas. It doesn't matter if a tarantula has ever encountered them before or not. The chemoreceptive setae within the scopulae on each tarsus tells the tarantula "don't eat it."

    Not necessarily. People, even scientists, like to infer behaviors in animals based on their own experiences and sense of logic to make sense of why an animal would or would not do something. In this case, it seems more like the microhylid frogs are only just tolerated by the tarantula since the spiders won't eat them. From the tarantula's perspective, I would be more inclined that their thought process, if there is one, would be more of indifference than anything.

    This exact same topic, even using the exact same image came up last month. I summarized some literature on the cohabitation of tarantulas and microhylid frogs in the other post which may offer more insight.

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  16. keks

    keks Arachnobaron Active Member

    Thanks, that sounds logical :).
     
  17. FinnMosin

    FinnMosin Arachnopeon

    Aphonopelma hentzi/Gastrophryne olivacea as flipped. NE OK. I see this VERY often.
     

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  18. Mila

    Mila Arachnoknight Active Member

    Tarantulas are not conciously creating this relationship. The frog is toxic so doesn't get eaten and the frog likes the animals that attack the T's egg sack. It's 2 animals acting selfishly but to us looks like they're helping each other.
    It's like plants that emit more nectar to attract aphids which attract ants which will protect the plant. Obviously a plant doesn't know this it's just how it's evolved
     
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