Advertisement There's already another thread on this, but the little girl from The Exorcist suggested I create a new one. As many of you know, Fish & Wildlife is considering listing 5 Poecilotheria species under the 1973 Endangered Species Act. This is similar to an attempt they made to list 11 species 2 years ago. There seems to be some confusion about what this means for hobbyists, so I'll lay it out. The importation of captive bred individuals would require a permit, much like Brachypelma species under CITES Unlike CITES, interstate transport, and any commerce involving the species would require a permit Only individuals kept before the passage of the rule listing these species would be exempt; any offspring bred afterwards would be covered by the rule - all others would require a permit, which takes up to a year to acquire, sometimes more Despite the positive impact captive breeding has had, the International Union for Conservation of Nature considers all captive individuals useless due to potential inbreeding and hybridization While hybrids are listed as an exception to ESA, it's unlikely that would protect hobbyists or breeders - the burden of proof would be on you to prove you didn't just sell or ship a protected species The conclusion here is pretty clear: dealers and breeders wouldn't risk it, and your average keeper or pet store would never go to the trouble of obtaining a permit. The result would be the complete and utter decimation of these 5 species in the US hobby, and Fish & Wildlife would quickly draft rules covering the other 7. Please don't reply to me - instead, tell Fish and Wildlife what you think!! Click the link below, and write a polite, rational and coherent argument either against this rule, or in favor of a total exception for all captive bred Poecilotheria. Here are some basic points I included in my comment: Habitat destruction, pesticide use, intentional killing and other local factors are by far the greatest threats to Poecilotheria Captive breeding doesn't make up the majority of spiders in the hobby - it's 100% of the spiders in the hobby - in 20 years I've never once seen a wild caught individual, and I'm guessing you haven't either While our captive bred stocks don't adhere to IUCN standards or guidelines, there are no programs that do! If (when) any of these species go extinct in the wild, captive stocks will be the only option, and that's better than nothing Finally, law enforcement should be going after smugglers, not turning tens of thousands of law abiding hobbyists into criminals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Here is the link!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Go comment!!