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Poecilotheria subfusca clarification

Discussion in 'Tarantula Questions & Discussions' started by martin hogue, Jan 11, 2019 at 7:29 AM.

  1. martin hogue

    martin hogue Arachnopeon Active Member

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    hi !
    im a little confuse with this species. Anyone can help?

    from what i understand :

    there is subfusca > (lowland aka bara )+ highland (big and small )
    i recently learn about sp sri lanka ( pascal leslier) where this one fit. how many subspecies of subfusca there is and if someone could show me how to sort them ittl be amazing :D
     
  2. Nightstalker47

    Nightstalker47 Arachnoking Active Member

    Hi Martin, as far as I know, there are only two subfusca variants. The lowland and the highland form, with the lowland being the larger of the two.

    Welcome to the forums.
     
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  3. martin hogue

    martin hogue Arachnopeon Active Member

    Got this one as sp.sri lanka
     

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  4. Sarkhan42

    Sarkhan42 Arachnolord Active Member

    The abdominal pattern on that specimen is slightly warped, how cool! You’ve got a unique spider there :)
     
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  5. martin hogue

    martin hogue Arachnopeon Active Member

    yeah i like it a lot too ! this will have similar dark color to the highland
     
  6. KezyGLA

    KezyGLA Arachnoking Active Member

    This subject usually leads to a fiery debate.

    Tag me later and I will bring the popcorn.
     
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  7. martin hogue

    martin hogue Arachnopeon Active Member

  8. Nightstalker47

    Nightstalker47 Arachnoking Active Member

    Just saw that you're in MTL, may I ask where you purchased this specimen?
     
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  9. AphonopelmaTX

    AphonopelmaTX Moderator Staff Member

    I can't help but to wonder where the name Poecilotheria sp. "Sri Lanka" and the specimen came from. Was the one pictured the offspring of wild caught individuals that share the same odd abdominal pattern? Or perhaps this one in particular was the result of captive breeding of Poecilotheria subfusca but since it has a strange abdominal marking, someone decided to call it Poecilotheria sp. "Sri Lanka". Maybe the unusual abdominal marking is the result of many generations of inbreeding in captivity.

    People have the tendency to question a species identity when a specimen's colors or markings don't fit nicely with what is expected resulting in a new variant on the pet trade or even a new species. I have my doubts the Poecilotheria pictured here is distinct from a known species.
     
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  10. martin hogue

    martin hogue Arachnopeon Active Member

    tarantula canada !
     
  11. Nightstalker47

    Nightstalker47 Arachnoking Active Member

    Did Martin and Amanda offer any insight on the name?
     
  12. Venom1080

    Venom1080 Arachnoemperor Active Member

    I'd say lowland with reasonable confidence..

    There's a bunch of stuff about how abdomen patterns can tell them apart.. but there's so much variation between specimens of the same species ime. I think hybridization is a big reason why.

    GENERALLY, Highland is darker and smaller, and lowland is much lighter and considerably larger.

    Ive seen Andrew Smith post how early dna work shows they are different species.

    There's a few videos on YouTube of both species in their natural habitat. The simple visual differences are obvious.

    Bara is not a viable name. Poecilotheria Bara is Poecilotheria subfusca Lowland.

    Micheal Jacobi wrote a article about his thoughts on the matter. Stating it is NOT a revision.
    https://www.mjacobi.com/publications/

    Scroll down. Lots of cool articles there actually
     
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  13. martin hogue

    martin hogue Arachnopeon Active Member


    i dont know if its an hybrid tbh ! i did found some picture, was trying to find some more answers. i only did some research with the tag poecilotheria sp srilanka.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/atojar/22695670214/in/photostream/
    /www.flickr.com/photos/47745688@N05/35375566410/

    sp sri lanka ( pascal leslier) is what she told me. she said its close to subfusca.

    hey thanks for this ! i will take a look for sure !!!!
     
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  14. Nightstalker47

    Nightstalker47 Arachnoking Active Member

    Well, I dont see these listed on their website anywhere. Only conclusion I can come to, is that they dont know what it is for certain.
     
  15. martin hogue

    martin hogue Arachnopeon Active Member

    i know its not listed. they had a few specimens too. if i cant find more onto it its cool anyway. im happy with this purchase, but im coming back from a long break in this hobby there so many species now i wanted to get as many infos i could. I love the subfusca and looking foward to get all the forms i can.
     
  16. The Grym Reaper

    The Grym Reaper Arachnotank Arachnosupporter

    Looks like the subfusca lowland male I had (bar the wonky markings)

     
  17. Theneil

    Theneil Arachnoangel Active Member

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    Not sure if this helps any but in Tarantulas of the world page 449 has a picture of sp srilanka.

    on page 77 there is a chart (about venom quantity) that says in the "Genus and species" column "Poecilotheria sp Sri Lanka = sp bara" and i *believe* bara is subfusca lowland.

    Full disclosure: i haven't actually read the book, just stumbled onto the above when thumbing through so, i cannot say anything for context.
     
  18. martin hogue

    martin hogue Arachnopeon Active Member

    awesome info man ! i did read sumthing close to this on forums! where sp srilanka was sometimes stated as lowland. the shop were i got here were very confident it wasnt either hl or low. so il realy keep her as Sp. but its nice to know wich species to associate with :)

    mine is definately close to the second picture
     
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