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Poecilotheria sp. - Carapace Identification

Discussion in 'Tarantula Questions & Discussions' started by Phalagorn, Feb 14, 2004.

  1. Phalagorn

    Phalagorn Arachnoknight Old Timer

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    Poecilotheria sp. - Carapace indetification
     
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2004
  2. Jeff_C

    Jeff_C ArachnoAddicted Old Timer

    Wow....this is great info.

    Just curious...how many individuals was this 'tested' against?

    Jeff
     
  3. Phalagorn

    Phalagorn Arachnoknight Old Timer

    Re: Poecilotheria sp. - Carapace indetification

    My Poecilotheria sp. list!
     
  4. Jeff_C

    Jeff_C ArachnoAddicted Old Timer

    Phalagorn

    Exactly what I was curious about...and nice list indeed.
    Already have your original picture printed out in color and posted to the wall.


    Thanks,
    Jeff
     
  5. Phalagorn

    Phalagorn Arachnoknight Old Timer


    =D
     
  6. Bearskin10

    Bearskin10 Arachnoprince Old Timer

    Ok Phalagorn, I have 2 ids for ya. the first one I thought I knew what it was and am now unsure of after your picture and the second I have been unsure of since I got it? Thanks, Greg
     
  7. Bearskin10

    Bearskin10 Arachnoprince Old Timer

    And here is number two.
     
  8. Phalagorn

    Phalagorn Arachnoknight Old Timer

    It´s very difficult to see in your picture what it is? your Pokies looks real small, try agin when they have grown up a bit, but to be 100% sure of an Poecilotheria species you have to take a look on the ventral/underside pattern under the legs.

    /Stefan "Phalagorn" Bergström...
     
  9. Code Monkey

    Code Monkey Arachnoemperor Old Timer

    Yep, first thing I did when Jcohen posted his question was begin combing through pictures. On juveniles it didn't appear to be of any reliable accuracy. However, once they became adult sized, the patterns held even if they weren't always *that* clear cut.

    It's an interesting observation and I'm glad you posted your guide where people can see and use it.
     
  10. Immortal_sin

    Immortal_sin Arachnotemptress Old Timer

    thank you for sharing your info with us. I will save it to my computer, and test it out myself!
     
  11. Jeff_C

    Jeff_C ArachnoAddicted Old Timer

    Try it on this guy...

    Here is a 4+" specimen. Based on this chart, which grouping do you think this is from?

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    Jeff
     
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2004
  12. Longbord1

    Longbord1 Arachnoprince Old Timer

    regalis?? im sure there is more to help u find out but this is just the first thing u can llook at..
     
  13. Code Monkey

    Code Monkey Arachnoemperor Old Timer

    Re: Try it on this guy...

    Well, according to the chart, the best match is the formosa/regalis/striata grouping. Of course, there isn't much difference between that grouping and the fasciata/smithi/ornata/etc. grouping with the only distinguishing feature being the thickness of the dark pigmentation surrounding the pattern.
     
  14. Phalagorn

    Phalagorn Arachnoknight Old Timer

    Re: Try it on this guy...

    I´t would be either regalis or striata, take a look and the underside of the abdomen, P. regalis have a beige bellyband, but it only emerges when it grown a little bit.
    I can tell you that it´s not an formosa, course formosa´s carapace it´s more faded.

    /Stefan "Phalagorn" Bergström...
     
  15. Jeff_C

    Jeff_C ArachnoAddicted Old Timer

    I guess I'm gonna have to get a shot of the underside because I have this as an P ornata...

    Does this help?
    [​IMG]

    Jeff
     
  16. esmoot

    esmoot Arachnobaron Old Timer

    Yo Chip or others. Could you tell me is there anything else I should be looking for to be sure my fasciata is not a regalis. I never really cared to look before but now that she is 6" I need to know.

    Eric
     
  17. Michael Jacobi

    Michael Jacobi RETIRED/RARELY USE AB Arachnosupporter

    That's simple. Only P. regalis has the distinctive "belly band" on the anterior ventral surface of the abdomen. This "beige"/"greyish-pink"/"greyish-white" band would be about 1/2" wide in a 6" specimen. That's all you need to check, but P. regalis also has thicker black bands on the venter of the femur of both Leg I and Leg IV. P. fasciata has thin dark bands on the underside of the femur, especially on Leg IV.
     
  18. Phalagorn

    Phalagorn Arachnoknight Old Timer

    Could you post 2 picyures of your Poecilotheria sp. both dorsal and ventral-side? (the whole body of your specimen, please)
     
  19. Michael Jacobi

    Michael Jacobi RETIRED/RARELY USE AB Arachnosupporter

    Re: Poecilotheria sp. - Carapace indetification

    Phalagorn,

    Very nice work on the chart - it is very interesting. However, including a species that has not been published yet ("hanumavilasum") is premature. It is Mr. Smith's own fault by making the proposed name public prior to publication, but the rest of us should avoid using it until it is officially published (which is supposedly going to be in the next BTS journal).
     
  20. Phalagorn

    Phalagorn Arachnoknight Old Timer

    Re: Re: Poecilotheria sp. - Carapace indetification

    I can delete hanumavilasum from the carapace-id, and waith for publish. I think that hanumavilasum is synonymous with kirki/peterkirki/hillyardi, I have lots of pictures of these species on my computer and they all look the same, both the dorsal and ventral-side of the newfound species.

    /Stefan "Phalagorn" Bergström...
     
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2004