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Discussion in 'Tarantula Pictures' started by HEEN67, Oct 31, 2004.
A roulette wheel that comes up the same for 22 years straight LOL.
Accustomed to handling and tameable seem pretty similar to me.
It just comes down to you thinking they can be "accustomed" and me thinking that's impossible and you're playing with fire for no good reason.
Well he has been working with T’s longer than you’ve been alive, so there’s that.
I don’t have any OW’s, and I don’t handle my NW’s, but I am curious @Singapore_Blue1 how you acclimate them to handling. Do you have a certain regiment for it? Does it have to be started before a certain age?
Seems you have some knowledge that would be worth sharing if you’re willing.
'Magic, whole lotta magic'.
- The Warriors (Walter Hill, 1979)
Without getting into the discussion of handling Ts or handling OWs, I would like to posit that it is perhaps more responsible to the hobby if you didn't share pictures of you handling your OWs. Your life, your T, your choice-- however...new keepers come here, see this, decide to hold their OW (because yes, new people get OWs unfortunately) and get bit? Or the T gets away and bites someone else?
Monkey see, monkey do. I mean look-- there is a new keeper already asking you how to do what you do.
No, don't assume things.
Funny watching the elitists’ idealism get shattered. This keeper comes in with as much or more experience than anyone, and he’s doing something successfully many people find impossible.
The smart person would want to learn from his experience, even if they have no intention of replicating what he’s doing.
Not sure what it says about someone who would try to silence his experience... nothing good obviously.
I don’t advocate handling any T, much less an OW, but I would love to know how he does it.
Seems I have a lot to address since last night! Well this is how they had her set up when I purchased her... Disgraceful... No height nor any hide
Here is my set up but it isn’t complete yet. I plan on adding more hiding areas and such...
Now to address a few items of concern. I will try to make my points perfectly clear. First of all T’s have different personalities no matter what genus. So in other words you can have a Poecilotheria that is more docile then a Grammastola. So each one is special in its own way no matter the tendencies of the genus. The age of handling does seem to make a small difference in the outcome but it doesn’t guarantee you will have a T with a good attitude. Now if you happen to have a T with a decent attitude they will become accustomed to their environment and stimuli that is introduced to them. So the likelyhood of a bite goes way down. Now due to my years of experience I am able to read certain signs of when the T is getting irritated. You learn through experience. Now do I advocate a newbie handling an OW.... NO... However I can show what I am talking about via a video. It’s the best way I can explain everything.
Just gonna throw this out there, Ts don't see humans as a positive thing. They cant be tamed. When another livng thing is concerned the tarantula sees it as prey, predator or neutral.
Prey - crickets/roaches
Predator - other large animals, including people
Neutral - Inanimate objects, springtails, etc
At best a Tarantula would see you as "neutral" so there's no need for it to waste venom on something that it can't eat and isn't dangerous. Tame implies that it's 100% never going to bite, which this isn't
Also, beautiful spider
Thank you she is beautiful. I respectfully disagree. Actually I find some of my T’s hate inadament objects and will be provoked by that rather then my hand. Secondly I never said my T’s would never bite. They do recognize a humans hand and a matter a fact they can tell the difference between my hand and my wife’s. My Metallica is more relaxed with me versus my wife for example. I will have to post a few videos showing how I operate with them.
You have to understand how outlandish this sounds to us. I'm certainly open to new things in the hobby, especially when it's backed up by experience.
But acclimating tarantulas to recognize my hand is impossible as far I know and have heard. From keepers with near double your experience.
Do you think it's hard to prod a spider out onto your hand? It's far from impossible, or difficult. I see idiots do it all the time on YouTube. (Not saying you're one of them Singapore)
I'm not saying that you were saying that theyre tame, but Venom1080 was talking about tameable Ts. Also when i say inanimate objects, I'm talking about the stuff in their enclosures that doesn't move (bark, branches, etc) which they don't dislike, if they do dislike it they get used to it. Im not saying that they don't recognise a human hand, in this case they recognise it as neither food nor danger so they don't bite it. I'm willing to bet that your Metallica is more comfortable around you than your wife due to the different scents of your hands. Your hand being the more familiar (and therefore safer) of the two
Spot on with the hand scents!
Experience with owning T’s and experience with actually being hands on are totally different things.. in other words if someone says a T can’t be acclimated to hands but they have spent very little time handling them or haven’t at all how are they a source of experienced information when they have not put in the time to know?
Your correct I have seen some morons do that too. Unfortunate but they will be the ones to make a mistake due to lack of experience
I think it depends on how you handle the T as well. For example if you had a metallica that had been handled gently for years and never bit anybody but then you go and grab it with your fist around the T, you're gonna get bitten. Whereas if you have a wild tarantula that's never been held and gently coax it onto you hand without making it feel like it's in danger it's much less likely to bite
I agree totally with point number one but I disagree with point number 2