Ty yes that looks like a good one for me
I love the webbing and that looks like a good choice for me tySounds like you could use some Neoholothele incei. Heavy webbers and occasionally diggers, on the small side but have voracious appetites, lack urticating setae, and come in two gorgeous color forms - gold and olive.
Better webbers than C. cyaneopubescense IMO. Also quite fast, but not something you won't be able to handle, I reckon.
Most wouldn't recommend N. incei for a beginner they're really fast, more so than the GBB. And the GBB is a new world terrestrial as well...
Oh, absolutely. My GBB is quite the webber, but she doesnt hold a candle to either of my N. incei. They're definitely a step up in speed, but if someone can handle a GBB then there shouldn't be too bad of a learning curve.
Phormics and Pamphos instead of N. incei for beginner-friendlyness? I am not so sure. Most (not all) Phormictopus species are very defensive and Pamphobeteus spp. can be as well (and some species like to use their urticating hairs generously, I heard from other keepers). The sheer size of the members of these two genera also make them quite intimidating. N. incei may be fast, but its is not a defensive species. Their dwarf size make them also more manageable.
"defensiveness" doesn't really make them harder to keep if you've kept a tarantula or two before, if you're using tongs as you should to feed and do maintenance. GBB can be defensive often as well.
OP states that she has only experience with an adult Avic. She has two slings, an A. avicularia and a GBB. She also asks for beginner recommendations. To me, that says that she is not looking for a specimen of two of the most defensive NW genera. For some people it is totally fine to start with, for example, an OBT, but generally speaking these people don't ask for recommendations on AB. I therefore have to assume that OP is not looking for a defensive species.
Assuming that the OP is not an idiot, she will not try to hand-feed her tarantulas nor do maintenance without tongs. With the proper precautions, every species can be kept safely. I raised an I. incei to adulthood and never did it bolt out of its enclosure. They tend to be a bit skittish and one should be prepared for this. But the tarantula will just bolt to a safe place in its enclosure and stay there when disturbed. That is pretty easy to work with for a beginner, compared to a Phormictopus cancerides bigger than your hand that attacks anything within striking distance.
See, that's what I read before I got them, but it hasn't been my experience at all.
See, agreed.
You basically negate your own point with your second paragraph, if any tarantula can be kept safely (as you say) and OP won't hand feed then why not a fairly easy terrestrial with low care requirements where the only danger is indeed sticking your hand in the enclosure?... Also Pampho or Phormic is not in any way comparable to keeping an OBT since they hardly bolt as the OBT often do, and assuming every N. incei will bolt into their enclosure when that is obviously not the case is a bad assumption.
No I am not a true idiot, and enjoy your feedback ty
I have a P. sp. mascara and she is a friendly giant. She only kicked hairs when I rehoused and nothing more than one would expect from a Brachypelma sp. I had a Phormictopus (never found out which one, just that it was a Cuban species) that was very easy to take care of as well. It just went into its hide when disturbed. However, a friend of mine has a Phormictopus sp. Green that rears up whenever you walk by its enclosure. It's quite a hassle to refill the water bowl, lol. I hear P. canceridus tend to be rather 'assertive' as well.
I did negate nothing and I stick to my opinion. Defensiveness may not make a difference to an experienced keeper, but this is not the case for a beginner. It is simply no fun if your heart starts to pound and your palms start to get sweaty just at the thought of having to open the enclosure to clean out the water bowl. I never said OBTs are on par with phormics or pamphos. It was meant as a hyperbole to show that species that are easy to care for are not necessarily beginner-friendly. Again, the OP only has experience with one tarantula, the slings do not really count as experience.
I think you mean you didn't negate anything in proper English. Nobodies heart and palms will be reacting to cleaning a Pampho or Phormic water dish lol what kind of dramatization is that? Pretty simple to pour in water or pick it up with tongs like what?...
I am not a native English speaker, but I am happy for you that you feel superior for being one
Erm...many arachnophobes who get into keeping tarantulas to overcome their fear of spiders would disagree with you. I liked the anecdote on Tom Moran's blog where I literally passed out when he first tried to handle his G. porteri and it made a sudden move. So yeah, sweaty palms are a real thing.
Lol using an example of arachnophobes is not the normal person keeping a Phormic or Pampho, and OP is not either it seems from this post with him owning 3 T's already so I'm not sure how that's relevant.I am not a native English speaker, but I am happy for you that you feel superior for being one
Erm...many arachnophobes who get into keeping tarantulas to overcome their fear of spiders would disagree with you. I liked the anecdote on Tom Moran's blog where I literally passed out when he first tried to handle his G. porteri and it made a sudden move. So yeah, sweaty palms are a real thing.
But kudos to you for your fearlessness. You are awesome, dude!
It is more common than you might think and keeping a Phormic or a Pampho in that case is indeed not normal. A person specifically asking for beginner species is to me an indication that there might be still some 'uneasiness' around spiders.