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Mystery Spider .... any serious guesses?

Discussion in 'Tarantula Questions & Discussions' started by ChrisNCT, Sep 1, 2005.

  1. ChrisNCT

    ChrisNCT ChrisinTennessee Arachnosupporter

    Ok..no rose hair comments or anything like that.
    I need a low down on what some of you guys have out there that may resemble this T. All I know is that it doesn't look like any that I have before.

    Any genus guesses?

    Last edited: Sep 1, 2005
  2. senor ocho

    senor ocho Arachnosquire

    I'd say Aphonopelma genus, probably Aphonopelma species Guatemala, or whatever they're calling the Guatemalan Zebra Leg these days. The coloration and leg striping seem to coincide with that.
  3. defour

    defour Arachnobaron Old Timer

    Seems an odd list to have narrowed down to. The presence of urticating hairs eliminates the old worlders. I don't have any other help to offer, other than it's not a rose hair. ;)

  4. cloud711

    cloud711 Arachnobaron Old Timer

    definitely not a rose hair. is it aggressive or nervous? havent seen this t before. :?
  5. Steve Nunn

    Steve Nunn Arachnoprince Old Timer

    Hi Steve,
    Yes, this does, but does this spider possess urticating hairs?? I mean perhaps it does, but, to me this also looks like a severely stressed old world spider. They are just as prone to removing the setae from their abdomens under stress, the setae just aren't urticatious :)

    To me at this stage it looks like one well and truly messed up wild caught spider that's probably undergone a LOT of travel/stress.

    Perhaps it is NW, but I would not rule out OW because of the lack of setae on the abdomen just yet ;)

    Is there a patch of scopula (like that seen under the feet of T's) on the inside of the femur of the back legs??? If there is this might narrow things down a little, would at least guarantee NW....there aren't that many characters that can be seen on a live spider to identify it.

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  6. becca81

    becca81 Arachnoemperor Old Timer

    This was also my initial thought, but I don't think there's enough information to really know. The first thought that glanced my mind was a very beat-up Haplopelma sp., but the abdomen didn't look quite right and I questioned whether or not those were urticating hairs.

    Out of curiosity (I don't think you're going to get a 100% ID on this one), do you have any other pictures, Chris? Different angles?
  7. Steve Nunn

    Steve Nunn Arachnoprince Old Timer

    Hi Becca,
    I have to agree, unless you might be able to obtain any collection location data, that would be the best thing you could obtain :)

    The spination is interesting, don't see that on a lot of T's, but spines vary so much it doesn't really help......

    A ventral photo, around the sternum, would be very cool :) There are a lot of characters around that region that can possibly assist in identification :)

  8. ChrisNCT

    ChrisNCT ChrisinTennessee Arachnosupporter

    I will take a bunch of pics and get them onto the site. I will be away camping this weekend so I may not get to it till late monday afternoon.

    I'll take some nice closeups of all sides of the T.
  9. Sheri

    Sheri Arachnoking

    I'm curious as hell to see it after a molt.

    My initial glance made me think of a chaco. No idea why.

    As for hairs - I've seen stressed and bald OW spiders before.

    But this one - for a WC that must have been in transport for as long as it has to look that beat up - still sports a decent sized abdomen.

    The only spider I've seen that can look like death warmed over like this and not have at all suffered anything is blondi.

    (Not saying this is a blondi!)

    But those buggers can look like you just threw 'em in a shake n' bake bag to season them.

    Where did you get it?
  10. GoTerps

    GoTerps Arachnoking Old Timer

    Looks like a beat up OW spider to me. What did you buy it as Chris?

    Edit--from the looks of it, maybe it burrowed all the way from Asia to your backyard? :)
    Last edited: Sep 2, 2005
  11. Steve Nunn

    Steve Nunn Arachnoprince Old Timer

    Oh, damn, Scott, can you not make me an arachnoprince??? How about arachnodung, arachnosnarbie, something different to arachnoprince??? I like arachnodung :)

    EDIT: oops, sorry, this shouldn't be here
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  12. defour

    defour Arachnobaron Old Timer


    Ah... thanks for this info; I hadn't known that. I guess that's what I get for having owned a hundred new world tarantulas and only half a dozen cb old worlders. Maybe I should give myself a Selenocosmia, et al appreciation assignment. ;)

  13. phormingochilus

    phormingochilus Arachnoangel Old Timer

    With all due lack of respect ;-) The texture of the setae around the bald spot points very strongly towards urticating hairs. Call it first hand experience - whatever (Steve ;-) - also the spines of the legs are very non-old world'ish unless we are talking Ischnocolinae ... with urticating hairs ... Do you have any info regarding what country it's from? And how big is it?

    Very Best Regards

  14. Steve Nunn

    Steve Nunn Arachnoprince Old Timer

    You should read my words again ;) I mentioned only the bald spot and what that can mean, also mentioned the spination and it's possible signifincance (although, as you know, spination is not a good character to look at, but, more common in the NW materila for certain). As to the texture of the setae around the abdomen, I can think of numerous old world theraphosids with similar setation on the abdomen, particulartly a lot of certain SE Asian material :)

    As I said, location data is everything, you're only replicating my words on all points old friend ;)

    Oh, I have 1st hand experience with a lot of NW material, just not live animals ;)

  15. Tony

    Tony Arachno-pragmatarian Old Timer

    Your avatars make me think someone is discussing this with himself :p
    I get easily confused...
  16. Mr Ed

    Mr Ed Arachnobaron Old Timer

    To me I'm thinking of Haplopelma sp. but I don't really know squat. That was my first impression though...
  17. robshults

    robshults Arachnopeon

    It might be a species from the genus Pterinochilus. Beyond that, I can't venture a guess.
  18. phormingochilus

    phormingochilus Arachnoangel Old Timer

    LOL - like a Cyriopagopus discussing with a Selenotypus ;-) @ Steve: the "dissing" tone is purely tongue in cheek ;-)


  19. Steve Nunn

    Steve Nunn Arachnoprince Old Timer

    Oh, I know ;) I've known you long enough!! You know there's nothing I enjoy more then a verbal bout with a crazy Danish arachnologist (got to be crazy to live so far away from real spiders ;))!
  20. aranchedude

    aranchedude Arachnopeon

    i completely agree the moment i saw i guessed it i so thought it was a chaco