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My first potential loss

Discussion in 'Tarantula Questions & Discussions' started by DanJ, Aug 13, 2019.

  1. DanJ

    DanJ Arachnopeon Active Member

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    So I came home from work about 12 hours yesterday and seen my N Incei out, it's a pet hole so thought it was strange. Took a closer look and it looks like its started molting upright, away from its hide and poped its carapace... legs all bent and crooked. Could of been like that for 24 hours

    Checked again this morning and its moved slightly, I removed the fake plants and its definetly a bad molt. No idea, could be something more sinister as its molted in a place I've never seen it go before...

    Literally nothing I can do to help, nothing is out just a slightly poped carapace... feel so useless now and looks like I'm just waiting for it to pass. 20190813_050256.jpg 20190813_050238.jpg 20190813_050256.jpg 20190813_050302.jpg
     
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  2. Arthroverts

    Arthroverts Arachnobaron Active Member

    If that was a bad molt, it is the worst I've ever seen. I'm so sorry.

    Arthroverts
     
  3. ThorsCarapace22

    ThorsCarapace22 Arachnosquire Active Member

    Ahhh man that is a huge upset : (
     
  4. DanJ

    DanJ Arachnopeon Active Member

    Just one of them things I guess. I wish it progressed slightly further so I could help it

    My guess is it tried to molt in front of its burrow and fell down and couldn't correct itself. It has a hide, but decided to burrow there instead...

    You might be able to see on this were its popped its carapace
     

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  5. Tenebrarius

    Tenebrarius Arachnoangel Active Member

    dang, looks pretty wet to me. that's unfortunate. It might try and pop off the more gnarly ones, but im just being an optimist here cause they're all gnarly.
    looks really bad man, like leg spaghetti.
    is the T still wet? how fresh is the molt?
    I wonder if it's possible to straighten out the legs, but im don't know enough about T biology.
     
  6. DanJ

    DanJ Arachnopeon Active Member

    The T never got out of the molt. All it did was pop its carapace and got stuck from there on.

    I'm back home in a few hours. My guess its passed.
     
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  7. Kitara

    Kitara Arachnosquire Active Member

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    Awww poor baby. I'm so sorry. That really sucks.
     
  8. Tenebrarius

    Tenebrarius Arachnoangel Active Member

    that's unfortunate, mate.
     
  9. Arachnophoric

    Arachnophoric Arachnodemon Active Member

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    Are you completely sure it was trying to molt? I'm looking at the picture where you say the carapace is popped, but all I'm seeing is the connective tissue between the chelicerae and the carapace. If it was trying to molt upright, I wouldn't expect the feet to be partially curled under like that either...

    Regardless, so sorry for the loss. :( The first one is never easy.
     
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  10. DanJ

    DanJ Arachnopeon Active Member

    Update... bare with me please...

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    4pm yesterday T was all messed up, legs all over the place and barely moving

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    5am this morning T looked worse than it did last night... legs curled under the lot, literally thought it popped its carapace (first time having a chance to inspect a T that doesnt bolt on me made me see things that weren't there I guess ). Literally thought it was a goner...

    4pm this afternoon, T in the exact same spot legs out but looked like they where in a complete mess.

    Just now the T is fine. Wasnt a molt, I have no idea what happened . Literally from when I found it at 4pm yesterday to a normal T webbing up its entrance to its burrow like usual and bolting when I checked up on it. Mind blown. Showing no sign of DKS symptoms or pre-molt or molting like I thought . - like nothings happened...

    Thanks all, still no idea what happened?
     
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  11. EtienneN

    EtienneN Arachnonovelist-musician-artist Arachnosupporter

    Not joking, but maybe the spider was constipated? And it just needed to poop? That's a reach, but it's the only thing that came to mind as for a reason. Anyhow, I'm glad your spider is better!
     
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  12. DanJ

    DanJ Arachnopeon Active Member

    I tried to see if I could see a sign of any impaction but looked completely fine to me, quite easy to tell aswell with the colour of the T.

    Dehydrated possibly? Never seen it out if its hide and webbed up area until I found it yesterday. Feel like a right idiot, everydays a learning curve...

    Thank you all for your help aswell. Appreciated
     
  13. Arthroverts

    Arthroverts Arachnobaron Active Member

    That is crazy. I'm super happy that your tarantula is O.K though it seems!
    @Ungoliant, should we add this to the tarantula yoga pose book?

    Thanks,

    Arthroverts
     
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  14. DanJ

    DanJ Arachnopeon Active Member

    I know I seen it at 5am this morning and thought this is going to be dead by tonight. I walk in just before I posted this seeing it web up its burrow and said out loud wtf... literally thought it was the walking dead. So pleased its recovered, hopefully stays that way aswell.
     
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  15. PidderPeets

    PidderPeets Arachnoangel Arachnosupporter

    I have a stretch of a theory, but a theory nonetheless. As we've determined, it was not trying to molt. I think you were mistaking the hairless part at the base of the fangs as a popped carapace, but that's normal depending on how the fangs are positioned. But I digress.

    Anyway, in the one closeup picture of the carapace, I noticed a small wet speck that resembles hemolymph (spider blood). Is it possible the spider was climbing and fell, doing a bit of damage externally and possibly internally? Then perhaps it was too hurt or disoriented to move from that position until it recovered some.

    N. incei are some serious webbers and I wouldn't be even remotely surprised if it was climbing to expand upon its webbing. My two certainly did.

    Regardless, I'm glad it seems to better shape now. Just keep an eye on it now and hope for the best
     
  16. Arachnophoric

    Arachnophoric Arachnodemon Active Member

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    Considering that we have no clue, your theory could be as good as any. However I'm not seeing the wet spec you're speaking of.

    The theory I had looking through the photos is that the substrate looks pretty dang wet, even for a species that appreciates moisture such as N. incei, and I'm not seeing any ventilation in the sides of the enclosure. Perhaps there's some on the lid, but if not and the substrate is as wet as it looks, it could have gotten too humid/stuffy in there and the T was on the decline in health until OP opened the enclosure and allowed some fresh air/airflow into the enclosure, helping the T recover.
     
  17. Tenebrarius

    Tenebrarius Arachnoangel Active Member

    this could be true. I see no significant side ventilation. This odd behavior could have been a symptom of poor ventilation. I wouldn't know I've never had such an issue.
     
  18. MetalMan2004

    MetalMan2004 Arachnolord

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    Well this is one of the crazier ones I’ve read. T looks sick and on the verge then poof just fine. Good luck and hopefully it stays just fine!
     
  19. It's a hell of a stretch and highly unlikely, but if this were not a tarantula I'd almost suspect parasites. Being paralyzed by a host, then fine for a while, then dying. Tarantula hawks/spider wasps frequent the southern and western USA. They can't fit through tiny holes, although I've seen them drawn into my home and around the area where I keep my T's. Other than nematodes, I can't think of any other parasite. This is the picture being discussed above, where it looks like the T is wounded.

    Edit: And even then, I believe tarantulas do not recover at all from wasps. They remain paralyzed, not my strongest suit of armor.
     
  20. Arthroverts

    Arthroverts Arachnobaron Active Member

    @Purple Bloom Lady, considering he lives in Wales, I don't think it was a tarantula hawk.
    However, parasites is a good guess. I just don't think the tarantula would have recovered like it did.

    Thanks,

    Arthroverts