latrodectus in Croatia

[alex]

Can any latrodectus species be found in Croatia?
Maybe are there any other cool spider?

 

[Crotalus]

Can any latrodectus species be found in Croatia?
Maybe are there any other cool spider?

I would think L. tredecimaguttatus can be found there but Im not sure.

/Lelle

 

[alex]

Thanks Lelle. Do you know were to look?

 

[Crotalus]

Thanks Lelle. Do you know were to look?

I can imagine the european widow are living in citys like the northamerican or australian species of Latrodectus. So look under old wood, or other suitable places. Ask the locals if the know.

/Lelle

 

[alex]

They aren't venomous as the american widows right?

 

[Crotalus]

They aren't venomous as the american widows right?

Im not sure how potent their venom are compared to the NA species.

/Lelle

 

[alex]

How to transport them?

 

[Crotalus]

How to transport them?

In small plastic boxes

/Lelle

 

[alex]

How small?

 

[Crotalus]

How small?

The small round pizzasallad boxes for adults are perfect, film canisters for smaller are good.

/Lelle

 

[alex]

Like this?

 

[Crotalus]

Like this?

yep.

/Lelle

 

[Venom]

The chance of lethality from L.m.tredecimguttatus is slightly less than with L. mactans, but the muscle cramping is more severe. L.mactans tredecimguttatus is confirmed to be in Croatia ( see article: http://www.millennium-debate.org/suntel31aug03.htm ).

Other species in southern Europe include:

L. hystrix
L. dahli
L. pallidus

 

[alex]

Thanks for the link Venom. Is here any one that knows how to keep L.mactans tredecimguttatus?

 

[Crotalus]

Other species in southern Europe include:
L. hystrix
L. dahli
L. pallidus

According to Platnick the only Latrodectus in Europe are tredecimguttatus and L. lilianae (in Spain). The ones listed above are middleeastern species, but they might have a larger distribution area.

Alex, they are kept as mactans or hesperus as far as I know.

/Lelle

 

[Venom]

This was my source for the list I gave: http://www.desertusa.com/july97/du_bwindow.html

However this site does support what you said:
http://www.gifte.de/latrodectus-arten.htm

This site claims pallidus' presence in Europe, but then it also list tredecim' and pallidus in South America so its credibility may be questionable. The link is:

http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/byname/spider-envenomations-widow.htm

 

[G. Carnell]

L.tredecim are beautifullll, bestest best widow around