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I'm pretty sure my A. Avic. is gone

Discussion in 'Tarantula Questions & Discussions' started by Verneph, Sep 14, 2011.

  1. Verneph

    Verneph Arachnosquire

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    Hey all, sorry if this becomes depressing. I pulled my A. Avic's, Margarette, enclosure out today for some cleaning. I found her in a what appears to be dead state, sitting inside of her hide. I got her out of her hide and into a temporary enclosure. Death curl, as far as I can tell. I put her in an ICU, just in the vain hope she'll come back. I just don't know what could have happened. She had been behaving oddly, but I had assumed it was premolt. She had just been refusing food and moving about her enclosure more than usual. She was a juvie, so the only things I can think of are SADS or she tried to molt right-side up. I'll let you know if she improves, but I think she's already gone.

    Pictures:

    Her enclosure:
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    How she looked when I got her out of her hide. No movement whatsoever:
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    Upside down:
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    Her in the ICU:
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    I'm upset by this. She was my first T, and I'd hate to think I may have killed her.
     
  2. Is she not responding at all when you touch her?
     
  3. Verneph

    Verneph Arachnosquire

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    Nothing, not even a twitch.
     
  4. Josh Craig

    Josh Craig Arachnopeon

    I think she's molting.
    Here's your middle picture but lighter.
     

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  5. Josh Craig

    Josh Craig Arachnopeon

    Unless you put her on her back.
     
  6. Verneph

    Verneph Arachnosquire

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    That was me. Like I said I found her right-side up. I flipped her because I thought at first I was looking at her fresh molt and she herself was hiding somewhere else. No such luck.
     
  7. Awww, so sorry. I'm hoping for the best!!!
     
  8. paassatt

    paassatt Arachnoangel

    I fail to see the death curl you mentioned. Am I missing something?
     
  9. Verneph

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    Ah, yes, I should have explained. When I got her out and flipped her over her legs spread out again due to gravity. She was curled at first. Although, that raises an important question: Are Tarantula's stiff in a true death curl? She's not stiff, just unmoving. I've never actually handled a truly dead T before.
     
  10. cnapple

    cnapple Arachnoknight

    I don't see it either. Legs don't look curled under at all. Perhaps she is trying to molt upright. Let her be.
     
  11. Verneph

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    Also, before anyone says anything else, I know she's been sitting as she was in her hide for at least two days.
     
  12. Blackbeard

    Blackbeard Arachnopeon

    If the spider is dead it will start to stink.
    It is very unpleasant and disctinct so you will know it when you smell it.
     
  13. JODECS

    JODECS Arachnosquire

    what might be the reason? did she ate before it happened?
     
  14. Verneph

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    She hasn't eaten in weeks. Like I said, I figured she was in premolt. All I can assume is either molting the wrong way or SADS.

    Update: I did a thorough investigation and deep cleaning of her terrarium. I found no signs of mites or mold, which rules them out.
     
  15. Hmm, does sound like she is gone, but I would try an icu just in case. Can't hurt. :( poor girl
     
  16. synyster

    synyster Arachnobaron

    It's always sad to see a T not going well...

    No the legs should not come back down. Usually even upside down, the legs will stay in a complete death curl. I do think the spider was not dead when you flipped it.
     
  17. Verneph

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    That's weird that I got no response out of her. Maybe she tried to molt right-side up then and...

    ...well crap, I feel horrible now.
     
  18. Slevin

    Slevin Arachnosquire

    robc has a video on youtube of a juvie theraphosa he thought for sure was dead. he moved its legs and they just remained stiff, he turned it over and it made no response. it looked like a dead t but it ended up just molting right-side up. and it did so just fine even after he manipulated it. here is the exact video so you can look it over and see if there is any corelation to your avic. hope this helps verneph! i'm rooting for her

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzP6aVs30Vo
     
  19. wandas12

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    This is sad news, unfortunately it happens though, i little while ago i had a juvi cobalt pass for no apparent reason (no curling, no shrivelling, mites or mould) but i found it when it was starting to go a bit stinky. But don't beat yourself up Avics can be a bit odd at times, We had a couple juvies that were doing perfectly and eating well, moulting beautifully and a couple weeks later they were dead. Both without curling or shrivelled abdomens, no obvious signs of cause. Really hope she pulls through for you but all you can do is wait which sucks as you feel really helpless. You wouldn't of tried to help her if you didn't care or thought she was in trouble. Good luck
     
  20. jim777

    jim777 Arachnosquire

    I'm keeping a good thought for you and your T until you know for certain Vern