ID Help

[lalberts9310]

Hi all, I found this gorgeous fella wandering around in my kitchen. If anyone could give an accurate ID on it I would appreciate it. This is the 1st one in a couple of years I have seen. Pretty damn fast too. around 2" in DLS.

Found in North-West, South Africa.

 

[Chris LXXIX]

You're back!

 

[pannaking22]

I believe it's a species of Pisauridae based on body proportions and the legs. Ctenidae is another possibility though. A shot of the face would help square the family away at least and then it can be worked on further.

 

[lalberts9310]

I'll try getting a shot of the face in a moment. @Chris LXXIX yeah, my collection is down to 3 Ts.. most turned out male, and after i lost my poecie, well, it was quite a disappointment and set-back for me, maybe one day i will be fully involved in the hobby again, as i would like. I'm very busy schooling and training my horses too, and raising my toddler, so commiting to other things is a bit difficult at this moment. I still lurk every once in a while.

 

[lalberts9310]

best pictures I could get of its face

 

[pannaking22]

That'll do it, family is Pisauridae.

 

[pannaking22]

References for comparisons: https://bugguide.net/node/view/84423

Pisauridae, genus Pisaurina - https://bugguide.net/node/view/89934

Ctenidae - https://bugguide.net/node/view/528687

 

[lalberts9310]

@pannaking22 how is their venom in the sense of toxicity?

 

[pannaking22]

@pannaking22 how is their venom in the sense of toxicity?

Probably nothing major, but without knowing the species you'll want to be cautious.

 

[lalberts9310]

Probably nothing major, but without knowing the species you'll want to be cautious.

Ah. Thanx for all the info. I released it back outside in the field. Really sppreciate all your input.

 

[The Snark]

@pannaking22 I seem to be missing something here. The upper outside pair of eyes in @lalberts9310 Picture show that pair rearward facing. The Pisaurina have all eyes forward facing. Uhhhh

 

[pannaking22]

@The Snark that would be an error on my part then! Been working on scarab ID all week, so it looks like my brain had a hard time switching over for this one.

 

[The Snark]

I'm seeing eyes vaguely resembling lycosa. Not seeing the bottom row clearly enough to determine that though.
Maybe more like ctenid. Outer upper pair is pretty wide apart compared to the middle.

 

[schmiggle]

@pannaking22 I seem to be missing something here. The upper outside pair of eyes in @lalberts9310 Picture show that pair rearward facing. The Pisaurina have all eyes forward facing. Uhhhh

See this picture for an actual, definite example of pisuarina:

The upper outer eyes are both pointing sideways, as are the eyes on lalberts' spider.