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HOT Scorpions

Discussion in 'Scorpions' started by JoeyS, Jul 17, 2010.

  1. JoeyS

    JoeyS Arachnosquire

    I've tried to search the forum for what species of scorpions are considered "HOT", nothing really came up.. could anyone tell me?
  2. Nomadinexile

    Nomadinexile Arachnoking

    There is one genus that is really hot, that is not available. I will not even mention it.

    The species that are available and hot generally come from the genus' Androctonus, Parabuthus, Tityus,... Anyone want to add?
  3. ButhidaeBomb

    ButhidaeBomb Cant Re-Member Arachnosupporter

    Buthacus, Centruroides, Leiurus, and a few others perhaps.
  4. JoeyS

    JoeyS Arachnosquire

    the Centruroides sp is hot? like Centruroides vittatus,Centruroides gracilis?
  5. ButhidaeBomb

    ButhidaeBomb Cant Re-Member Arachnosupporter

    C. gracilis from certain areas are considered very MedSig. C. sculp/exili are not something to joke around with either. C. vittatus is not on the list, imo.
  6. JoeyS

    JoeyS Arachnosquire

    I am just making sure what are HOT and what are not since i am new to the hobby i don't wanna dip my hands in hot water if you know what i mean
  7. ButhidaeBomb

    ButhidaeBomb Cant Re-Member Arachnosupporter

    there are many species that will put some serious hurt to you. a handful of them are very very toxic. most of those genus' have been listed above. just do a search on google for scoprion ld50. that should bring up a general list of some scorpions you should prolly stay away from until you are very familiar with scorps.
  8. BeakerTheMighty

    BeakerTheMighty Arachnosquire

    Androctonus, Buthacus, Buthus, Parabuthus, Hottentotta, Mesobuthus, Leirus, Tityus, Centruroides, and Hemiscorpius are all genus considered to be on the "hot" side. (Sorry I know I repeated some from Nomadinexile and Filenamex). Species from all of these groups make it into the U.S. hobby sometimes with the exception of Hemiscorpius (as far as I know). This probably isn't a complete list, so if anyone knows any others please add.


    I also wanted to note, people react differently to envenomation, so its possible that a scorpion not commonly considered dangerous could cause a serious reaction if it stung a sensitive or allergic person. The genre listed above are simply ones I've read of as presenting a significant threat/causing very serious symptoms.
  9. Michiel

    Michiel Arachnoking

    Here is a list, published in an article of a friend of mine. This info is copyrighted to protect the authorship.

    Concise Checklist of the Buthid Scorpions of Medical Significance
    Lucian K. Ross

    "Due to the lack of medical and toxicological reports
    regarding venom toxicities and potential effects in humans in the majority of buthid scorpions,the list remains tentative and incomplete"


    A. amoreuxi (Audouin, 1826)
    A. australis (see Note 1) (Linnaeus, 1758)
    A. bicolor (see Note 2) Ehrenberg, 1828
    A. crassicauda (Olivier, 1807)
    A. liouvillei (Pallary, 1924) (see Note 3)
    A. mauritanicus (Pocock, 1902)

    B. occitanus (Amoreux, 1789) (see Note 4)
    B. tunetanus (Herbst, 1800)

    C. elegans (Thorell, 1876) (see Note 5)
    C. gracilis (Latreille, 1804) (see Note 6)
    C. griseus (C. L. Koch, 1844)
    C. infamatus (C. L. Koch, 1844) (see Note 7)
    C. limbatus (Pocock, 1898) (see Note 8)
    C. limpidus (Karsch, 1879) (see Note 9)
    C. noxius Hoffmann, 1932 (see Note 10)
    C. pallidiceps Pocock, 1902
    C. sculpturatus Ewing, 1928 (see Notes 11)
    C. suffusus (Pocock, 1902) (see Note 12)
    C. vittatus (Say, 1821) (see Notes 13)

    H. gentili (Pallary, 1924) (see Note 14)
    H. hottentotta (Fabricius, 1787)
    H. judaicus (Simon, 1872) (see Note 15)
    H. minax (L. Koch, 1975)
    H. saulcyi (Simon, 1828)
    H. tamulus (Fabricius, 1798)
    H. trilineatus (Peters, 1861)

    GENUS LEIURUS EHRENBERG, 1828 (excluded from McWest 2003)
    L. quinquestriatus (Ehrenberg, 1828)

    M. eupeus (C. L. Koch, 1839)
    M. gibbosus (Brulli, 1832) (see Note 16)
    M. martensii (Karsch, 1879)

    (O. doriae) (Thorell, 1876)

    P. capensis (Ehrenberg, 1831)
    P. granulatus (Ehrenberg, 1831)
    P. mossambicensis (Peters, 1861)
    P. transvaalicus Purcell, 1899

    T. arellanoparrai Gonzalez-Sponga, 1985
    T. argentinus Borelli, 1899
    T. asthenes Pocock, 1893 (see Note 17)
    T. bahiensis (Perty, 1833)
    T. brazilae Lourenco & Eickstedt, 1984
    T. cambridgei Pocock, 1897
    T. caripitensis Quiroga, De Sousa & Parrilla-Alvarez, 2000
    T. charreyroni Vellard, 1932
    T. costatus (Karsch, 1879)
    T. dasyurus Pocock, 1897
    T. dedoslargos Francke & Stockwell, 1987
    T. discrepans (Karsch, 1879)
    T. falconensis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1974 (see Note 18)
    T. fasciolatus Pessoa, 1935
    T. forcipula (Gervais, 1843)
    T. fuehrmanni Kraepelin, 1914
    T. funestus Hirst, 1911
    T. ivicnancor Gonzalez-Sponga, 1997
    T. mattogrossensis Borelli, 1901
    T. monaguensis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1974
    T. neglectus Mello-Leitao, 1932
    T. nematochirus Mello-Leitao, 1940
    T. neoespartanus Gonzalez-Sponga, 1996 (see Note 19)
    T. nororientalis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1996
    T. pachyurus Pocock, 1897
    T. perijanensis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1994 (see Note 20)
    T. quirogae De Sousa, Manzanilla & Parrilla-Alvarez, 2006
    T. serrulatus Lutz & Mello, 1922
    T. silvestris Pocock, 1897
    T. stigmurus (Thorell, 1876) (see Note 21)
    T. surorientalis Gonzalez-Sponga, 1996
    T. tamayoi Gonzalez-Sponga, 1987
    T. trinitatis Pocock, 1897 (see Note 22)
    T. trivittatus Kraepelin, 1898
    T. zulianus Gonzalez-Sponga, 1981

    Maybe some one can pin this for future reference ;)

    Cheers, Michiel
  10. JoeyS

    JoeyS Arachnosquire

    Michiel, Great post this helps me a lot :) is there a site or something that states the scorpions toxicity level 1-5. I've been using this but there isnt to many species on it http://theinverts.com/scorpioncaresheets.html
  11. Michiel

    Michiel Arachnoking

    Hi, I don't know if there is such a site. All species on the list are more or less intented for experience keepers.

    Cheers, Michiel
  12. Cowin8579

    Cowin8579 Arachnoknight

    Great posts Michiel.
  13. BeakerTheMighty

    BeakerTheMighty Arachnosquire

    This is an AWESOME list, very neat to see such a thorough a list including species as opposed to simply genera. However, I would just note for the thread-starters benefit that it does omit at least one scorpion that is well documented as having caused deaths. The scorpion missing is not a member of Buthidae so that is almost certainly why it is omitted. Also, the scorpion I refer to has not (as far as I know) and probably will not be in the U.S. hobby any time soon.

    If you are looking to avoid hot scorpions the two big ones are a) make sure the scorpion you are buying is IDed by someone who knows their scorpions. Particularly the non-descript ones as many harmless species look similar to dangerous ones. B) put some research into any species prior to buying it. I know of an incident where a teacher bought an A. australis specimen that they thought would make a good classroom pet simply because they had no knowledge of the species :eek:!! Luckily they found out more about it before bringing it to school and of course decided to get a different classroom pet. Goes to show how important it is to research any animal you buy.

    I guess the summed up version is, reading these lists is a great idea, but at the same time, don't assume that just because a scorpion isn't on a list of dangerous one's that it is "safe". Get info on any scorpion you wanna buy, particularly the venom ;-)

  14. Michiel

    Michiel Arachnoking

    If you are referring to Hemiscorpius lepturus from Iran, let's hope it NEVER comes into the hobby.

    Cheers, Michiel
  15. Cytotoxic flesh melting venom is never a fun way togo, I agree with Michiel.
  16. Moltar

    Moltar ArachnoGod

    Would this be more or less the Sicarius of the scorpion world? Sounds like trouble. Maybe we could find one for Paul F to handle?
  17. BeakerTheMighty

    BeakerTheMighty Arachnosquire

    I am indeed referring to H. lepturus. I'd have to agree with your sentiment on that. I take it you've seen the envenomation pictures on the web? :barf:. It is indeed scary stuff.
  18. Nomadinexile

    Nomadinexile Arachnoking

    That's why I refer to it as "the scorpion that shall not be named". I'm all for cultural exchanges and what not, but Iran can keep those. I just hope it stays that way. :barf:

    If you want something hot, stick with Androctonus, Parabuthus, Tityus, and the others listed here EXCEPT for the specie listed above.
  19. Sunset

    Sunset Arachnoknight

    az bark scorpions dont know if you said that one. and something death. i know mid east has lots of scorpions that can kill you. and i know theres couple in south america that could kill you as well. not sure the names of them through.
  20. cannabeast

    cannabeast Arachnosquire

    wow at first i thought wow cool, the hottest scorpion ever, i could own that... then i looked at what this thing does to people, thats so terribly disguisting, why does he need that potent concoction? is there something in that area that he has to defend himself against on that kind of level?