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Hissing cockroach molted or sick?

Discussion in 'Insects, Other Invertebrates & Arthropods' started by suzuran0000, Apr 16, 2018.

  1. suzuran0000

    suzuran0000 Arachnopeon

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    Hello! I had no luck googling this question, so I figured I'd come here to ask. I have some hissing cockroaches I personally rescued from a feeder cage my dad has for his bird eating spider. Everything seems to be going well, I lurked a lot of threads on this forum and was successful at keeping them pretty happy for this past few months.

    Straight to my question, I noticed that one of my hissers is significantly paler than she used to me. I assume maybe she molted and I had missed it, but a quick check around the cage shows no shell. I didn't do a thorough check, because I noticed as I was throwing some food in their cage and they were all eating so I decided I'd just check in the morning, but the thought is in the back of my mind. Any explanation?

    I'd like to note that when I saw her, she wasn't hiding in the log with the others. She was laying on the food dish, and I assumed something bad had happened, but then she just walked back to her log as she always does. Aside from that one experience when I found her color like this, there are no behavioral changes.

    Another thing I'd like to add in is last week I did clean the entire cage because I found very small white bugs crawling around the dirt. I wasn't sure if they were harmful so I changed it, cleaned the cage and briefly rinsed the roaches under water. They didn't seem really fazed or bothered by any of this at the time or after.

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  2. suzuran0000

    suzuran0000 Arachnopeon

    UPDATE: i did not find any molted shell in their cage, but now I've noticed that his exoskeleton looks somewhat flimsy and the hood part has flipped back. It shows in the photo. PLEASE help, what is wrong? Is he about to molt and theres just complications?
     
  3. Nir Avraham

    Nir Avraham Arachnosquire Active Member

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    If it did shed, it will turn more brown after few hours...
     
  4. suzuran0000

    suzuran0000 Arachnopeon

    Thank you for a response! I'm sure it didn't molt because there was no shell. But I noticed recently that it's exoskeleton hood-part is flipped backwards. I'm not sure what this means..
     
  5. Nir Avraham

    Nir Avraham Arachnosquire Active Member

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    When you use substrate for cockroaches, you usually are not going to find any remaining of the shed...
    Wait another 3-4 hours, and then send here another picture of it...
     
  6. suzuran0000

    suzuran0000 Arachnopeon

    EDIT: i pulled its log out of the cage and it crawled out and drank water. here is a photo of it in the light. Note how her exoskeleton looks folded over[​IMG]
     
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  7. suzuran0000

    suzuran0000 Arachnopeon

    Attaching another photo of the same hissing cockroach next to one of my others, who all seem to be perfectly happy and fine.

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  8. Nir Avraham

    Nir Avraham Arachnosquire Active Member

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    It's looks like it didn't shed. I've no idea what can cause that to happen...
    Keep an eye on him for the nest few days.
     
  9. Trincess

    Trincess Arachnopeon Active Member

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    Ok so here is my two pence worth. I keep hissers. I found a pale hisser among mine a month or two ago. It looked like it was missing bits also. I separated it from the others into a separate container but continued to offer food etc. It died after like three days so I think it was definitely sick. If I was you I would isolate that hisser from the others. Btw. I don’t know what caused it. It only happened once and all the others were fine.
     

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  10. suzuran0000

    suzuran0000 Arachnopeon

    Thanks so much guys :( I'll definitely keep an eye on her and put her in her own little container. So sad because she was completely fine just a couple days ago :(
     
  11. PidderPeets

    PidderPeets Arachnobaron Arachnosupporter

    How long has it been like that? Without any context, I'd say it does look freshly molted, and it's just starting to harden up. My hissers usually eat their molts, so that could be why you can't find a molt. As for the carapace, that could have happened when it molted. The body is soft and malleable and it's easy for things to go awry. It could have gotten folded over somehow when molting. If it's behaving normally and is eating, it's probably fine.

    Did that hisser ever darken before it died? To me, that also looks like it was freshly molted, just further along afterwards than the OP's. To me that looks like either a bad molt or that it got munched on by it's cage-mates. I've had a living, freshly molted hisser nearly 100% devoured by its cage-mates before. The only reason I can't say 100% is because I managed to save a single leg to feed to a sling. I've also had roaches that were munched on only a little bit that survived, but were missing bits of their sides, similar to in your picture, but not as bad. So it could have possibly gotten eaten by the other roaches and succumbed to its injuries.
     
  12. Trincess

    Trincess Arachnopeon Active Member

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    My little hisser didn’t darken up and I’m not sure that it ate again either. Then it died. But it sure did look like it had been munched on. How is the hisser now @suzuran0000
     
  13. suzuran0000

    suzuran0000 Arachnopeon

    THANK YOU for responding!
    Actually, I've come back to mention that it has darkened, and is somewhat more active than it was. When I made this thread, it had been that way for roughly a day, but I hadn't seen it for about 2 days, so I can't say exactly when it happened. But it was a sort of caramel color, and then 2 days later it was pale and lethargic.

    I've been letting them out to crawl around (I only have 3) and this morning when I went to change their food out, I noticed she was crawling on her log and significantly darker! Shell is still weirdly folded over, but from what I can tell it doesn't seem to bother her, because when I touched it with my finger it didn't react at all. Here is the photo from this morning. Would this folded shell cause any complications that I should know about? Or is it just something that happens?
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