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Forming groups per state para pokies

Discussion in 'Tarantula Questions & Discussions' started by EDED, Aug 2, 2018.

  1. EDED

    EDED Arachnobaron Old Timer

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    Just a thought,

    getting a CB permit should be not impossible although I do not know how pain in the butt it can be yet.
    BTW import/export permit is super easy, just 100 bucks for a year, and nowadays they have a new system where renewal of the permit takes 48 hours.

    anyways,
    Instead of relying on 'pro' breeders or dealers online with website or facebook overnight sellers, this is a good opportunity for fans of Poecilotheria or even for new upcoming hobbyists to start forming a real community per state to 'conserve' domestic CB pokies.

    ironic isn't it? now we must put conservation effort in the US so theses CB pokies dont extinct ahhah doesn't matter how you look at it, its most absurd regulations ever.
     
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  2. MintyWood826

    MintyWood826 Arachnoknight Active Member

    Isn't captive breeding still allowed with this law?
     
  3. kyahalhai21311

    kyahalhai21311 Arachnosquire Arachnosupporter

    AFAIK captive breeding and keeping are okay, but any interstate transport for commercial purposes is prohibited. so any selling of those 5 species has to be done in-state.
     
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  4. Nightstalker47

    Nightstalker47 Arachnoprince Active Member

    Not legal to sell actually, they would have to be given away for free...anything considered "commercial activity'' would be strictly prohibited.

    Doesn't make any sense from a conservation standpoint, and will simply discourage the breeding of these five species more then anything.
     
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  5. ErinM31

    ErinM31 Arachnoprince

    Unless I have misunderstood, those CB permits are actually quite difficult to get, but even so, it will still be legal to buy and sell these species within each state. (That doesn’t make sense to me; blocking import is one thing but why should trade across states matter at all when it’s not a species native to any of them? But I digress...)

    Makes me glad I live in a large state! :p But just to be sure, I’m ordering some P. ornata and P. bara (pretty sure the latter will be considered P. subfusca at least as far as the law is concerned). Really not something I could afford this month, but one must have priorities. :writer:
     
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  6. MetalMan2004

    MetalMan2004 Arachnobaron Active Member

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    Check again, they will be able to be sold in-state, but cannot be part of “commercial activity” if being sent interstate. There was a further clarification that breeding loans with slings being given back to the males owner is legal as well. Don’t take my word as legal advise though. Check it out for yourself.
    I’m curious to see what happens with the subfusca highland/ lowland/ bara thing as well.
     
  7. Nightstalker47

    Nightstalker47 Arachnoprince Active Member

    That would depend on the laws of each individual state, some may prohibit this while others may not.
     
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  8. AphonopelmaTX

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  9. EDED

    EDED Arachnobaron Old Timer

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    sorry i wasn't clear

    I meant CB permit for inTERstate trade not inTRAstate

    however for intrastate some pokie fans should form a group or network something like that to keep the species going for our pleasure
     
  10. Liquifin

    Liquifin Arachnoknight

    Really great idea..... But can't we still buy from expos or no?????? This whole "species protection" thing by the government is stupid IMO. Why prevent five pokies from being kept and bred, when India drops the bomb on their environment and just trash it. I mean have any of you heard of the Ganges river polution??? check it out and ask if you still have hope on the pokies in the wild, because I don't. The biggest question is why just these five??? why wasn't the other pokies like P. metallica not on here as well. Especially if there number is more vulnerable than those five??? Well.... at some point all the pokies are going to be added to that list.
     
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  11. MintyWood826

    MintyWood826 Arachnoknight Active Member

    I'm pretty sure they're considering six more species and that's one of them
     
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  12. Gaherp

    Gaherp Arachnofarmer Old Timer

    Which states have it stating you can't sell them in your own state? I was under the impression that it will still be legal to sell within the state you reside.
     
  13. Liquifin

    Liquifin Arachnoknight

    does that mean it is still possible to buy/sell them at expos????
     
  14. dangerforceidle

    dangerforceidle Arachnobaron Active Member

    From what I understand, this group of additions to ESA covers species found natively in Sri Lanka specifically. Not all of India, and not the entire genus.
     
  15. lostbrane

    lostbrane Arachnoknight Arachnosupporter

    It is only the 5 Sri Lankan ones for now. The Indian species were part of the original proposal 8-9 years ago but were seemingly dropped. I have not found anything yet to suggest that they will be added BUT it is imperative we all stay observant/try to get information so that way perhaps something more could be done in the event there is a petition or will be a petition for the previously proposed species.

    Personally, I’m surprised P. metallica didn’t tag along with this.

    @Liquifin this should answer a lot of your queries: https://www.fws.gov/endangered/esa-library/pdf/USFWS-5-Sri-Lankan-Poecilotheria-Q-As-final.pdf

    (Also thanks @AphonopelmaTX for posting the root link. Greatly appreciated.)
     
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  16. FrDoc

    FrDoc Arachnoknight Active Member

    Nah, there are many other absurd regulations. Example: When I was on the SWAT Team I went to a gun shop to buy a new pistol to carry off-duty. I knew the regulation, but the store owner was bound to advise me of the three day waiting period before I could take possession of the pistol. I was carrying two pistols on my person, had an M-16 rifle, a HK sub machine gun, a Benelli semi-auto shotgun, and a pump action shotgun in my car. REALLY???!!!
     
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  17. Gaherp

    Gaherp Arachnofarmer Old Timer

    If the person that owns that species is selling at the expo in the same state I would say yes. Now what may occur if a wildlife officer was at said expo, and knew his laws(comical but possible). That officer could prevent sales to individuals attending the expo to buy them but are from another state. I could be wrong, but if lacey is what they were trying to enforce. The purchase of the pokie and driving it over state lines is technically breaking that law.
     
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  18. Olan

    Olan Arachnobaron Old Timer

    Yes, apparently they are now considering the Indian species too, except for regalis (still a lot in the wild) and maybe tigrinawesselli (not sure why).
     
  19. Greasylake

    Greasylake Arachnoangel Active Member

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    I think we could expect breeders to require you to show them a drivers license so they can ensure any sales of these species would be going to a resident of that state.
     
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  20. Vinny2915

    Vinny2915 Arachnosquire

    I wouldn't be too worried, I'm sure people are still going to sell over state lines, it is bound to happen. Just look at it in Toronto, it is illegal to keep any animal with venom, but no one cares, they keep, breed, sell without any problems.
     
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