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Feeling sorry for live food.

Discussion in 'Tarantula Chat' started by basin79, May 17, 2017.

  1. basin79

    basin79 Arachnoprince Active Member

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    There's nowt wrong with butchers or slaughtermen/women. But I still think you should be able to kill the animal yourself in order to eat it. Yes it requires honesty but if you couldn't end a life you don't deserve to eat the life.

    My opinion.
     
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  2. Tanner Dzula

    Tanner Dzula Arachnosquire Active Member

    as somebody who did FFA in highschool and had to Not only Raise cattle/pigs but also had to then slaughter those same animals, its not as hard as it sounds to do so.

    in fact, i actually prefer it to the way big industries do it, as atlas when you raise and slaughter them, you know they get a quick death, and they had a good happy life. just like the dubias and crickets, you know they weren't just sitting there waiting to die.
     
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  3. GreyPsyche

    GreyPsyche Arachnopeon Active Member

    Depends on the feeders, honestly.

    I hate crickets, they're like the scummy thugs of the insect world. I also hate mealworms. I'll never feed mice because I like mice among other reasons. I don't know how I'll feel about Dubia roaches but I'll let y'all know later on.
     
  4. Magenta

    Magenta Arachnopeon Active Member

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    I don't feel too bad about it, considering the damage that a cricket or superworm can do to a tarantula. I do feel a bit like a monster when I crush their heads though.
     
  5. Brumbleberry

    Brumbleberry Arachnopeon

    I don't particularly feel that awful about the roaches. They live a good life with their huge extended family in the colony box and feast as much as they can stuff themselves with.
     
  6. Lucashank

    Lucashank Arachnosquire Active Member

    When I was much younger, it felt strange to watch my Solifugae tear apart their crickets. And as mentioned by other keepers, watching my mantids feast on a cricket in the ravenous manner that they do, also gave me a strange feeling. One of my favorite times was when I fed a fiddler crab a large cricket, the crab tore that guy up so bad, it was like watching someone "make it rain".
    I absolutely despise crickets, and only crickets though. I've felt bad for superworms on account of how long they survive generally.
     
  7. spotropaicsav

    spotropaicsav Arachnopeon Active Member

    Always nice to hear of others
     
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  8. Ondottr

    Ondottr Arachnopeon

    I don't think I feel bad for the crickets, but I definitely feel for them a little. I've always thought they were kinda cute looking. Probably haven't been keeping them long enough to develop hatred of them yet haha
    Defnitely feel a bit of sympathy when I watch one get slowly eaten from the dorsal side and stabbed through the face multiple times. But I'm also happy to watch the spider eat. It's just nature.
    It's ridiculous, but the thing I can't stand the idea of doing is keeping the live food on the same shelf as my T. The thought of making them live right next to the big hairy thing that will eventually devour them slowly just seems cruel. :(
     
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  9. Vermis

    Vermis Arachnoknight Old Timer

    Invert livefood, not so much. Crickets, fruitflies, bought from a shop, not really. I used to breed mealworms and morio worms, which was some fun in itself, but any twinges of regret were outweighed by the satisfaction that they were available and fit for their intended purpose: making spiders and things fatter. I've just got a couple of tubs of dubias, setting up a feeder colony for re-entry to the hobby. We'll see how teary I get.

    Vertebrate livefood, nope. I wouldn't do it. Hits a bit closer to home than insects. I've seen a few seconds of some live feeding vids on youtube and it comes across more as someone getting their jollies from it than about providing for their pet. It's illegal in the UK AFAIK, and while I'm not naive enough to imagine it never goes on, I'm glad it's discouraged.

    Eating things myself: I've watched the whole procedure of local abbatoir practises and standards on documentaries and I'm reasonably satisfied with it. What's left is the thought that if I'm willing to have an animal killed and served up to me, it has to have had a decent life up to that point. To that end, Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall's cursed me to go off intensively-farmed pork and chicken. Outdoor-reared bacon is expensive, but eating a bit less of it won't do me any harm...
     
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  10. Grimmdreadly

    Grimmdreadly Arachnopeon Active Member

    When I feed my snakes, many of which won't switch to pre-killed, I'm not getting my jollies. It's the cycle of life. I can't reprogram them to eat what I eat. And they need to eat too
     
  11. Vermis

    Vermis Arachnoknight Old Timer

    I was going to say 'fair enough', but one thing made me reread:

    Either you think that I imagine snakes will easily move onto a diet of roast dinners, potatoes au gratin, MacDonalds, or whatever catches your fancy; or you think I'm really not all there.*

    And rereading got me thinking: if a snake will not move on to pre-killed food items, how ethical is it to keep - and continually feed live mammalian prey to - that snake? How much of the 'circle of life' is relevant to an artificial environment enclosed in a small vivarium for personal pleasure? (Let's assume that the average amateur herpetology enthusiast is not involved in critical conservation activities.)

    * That, or it's an admission you eat dead mice. ;)
     
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  12. Grimmdreadly

    Grimmdreadly Arachnopeon Active Member

    Only if dead mice were plant matter. I'm a vegan. That leaves another question, if I were to go by your logic, how humane is it to keep any living creature?

    Also the majority of my snakes are rescues from people who were mistreating them and snakes that were given to me because their owners just didn't want them anymore.
     
  13. Grimmdreadly

    Grimmdreadly Arachnopeon Active Member

    Only if dead mice were plant matter. I'm a vegan. That leaves another question, if I were to go by your logic, how humane is it to keep any living creature?

    Also the majority of my snakes are rescues from people who were mistreating them and snakes that were given to me because their owners just didn't want them anymore.