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Feeder Roach Analysis

Discussion in 'Insects, Other Invertebrates & Arthropods' started by DoubleD's, Apr 18, 2007.

  1. DoubleD's

    DoubleD's Arachnosquire Old Timer

    Have you ever wondered which is truel better to feed your animals, roaches or crickets?
    Well Double D's in conunction with Blaberus.com have the answer for you.
    We have just recieved the results of a proximate analysis we had conducted on the 5 most popular feeder items on the market toady and guess what we found out???
    Check out the results at the link below.

    Dexter D
    Double D's

  2. billopelma

    billopelma Arachnolord Old Timer

    I'm tired... or blind... Where on the site is the info?

  3. slimtim454

    slimtim454 Arachnoknight

    i couldnt find it either
  4. Takumaku

    Takumaku Arachnoknight

    Shocking, G. portentosa have the lowest fat contents. Who would have known.
  5. Very interesting figures. I feed almost 100% dubias and lateralis to my T's. Also, it was comonly thought that hissers were high in fat.
  6. Where in the h e double hockey sticks is that info he's mentioning. I don't know if it's cause I am wrapping up a 16 hour shift at work or what but I don't see it anywhere.
  7. bugmankeith

    bugmankeith Arachnoking Old Timer

    You guys must be blind it's the 2nd link he posted in his message.

    Here it is in case you cant find it.

    This information was compiled by a well known food analysis company in New
    Jersey. They were asked to conduct a proximate analysis on 5 of the most
    common feeder insects on the market,
    1. B. Laterallis
    2. B. Dubia
    3. Crickets
    4. Meal worms
    5. Portentosa.
    Sample Moisture Protein Fat Fiber Ash

    B. Laterallis 63.63% 36.5% 5.31% 2.19% 1.95%

    B. Dubia 61.18% 35.6% 6.75% 3.25% 2.01%

    Meal worms 58.74% 21.0% 15.52% 2.01% 1.18%

    Crickets 71.96% 18.5% 6.26% 2.09% 1.29%

    G. Portentosa 64.09% 26.7% 5.05% 5.62% 1.37%
  8. HepCatMoe

    HepCatMoe Arachnosquire

    i would like to know what company actually did the analysis, and i would also like to know what methods they used.

    most important is what company did it. why not just give the name of the company?
  9. bugmankeith

    bugmankeith Arachnoking Old Timer

  10. Pretty nice, but how do I know which one is superior, as per the leading question? Each part must not be too big, but what is acceptable/ good? And it would all depend on what is doing the eating, I suppose.
  11. HepCatMoe

    HepCatMoe Arachnosquire

    in the link all i can see as a source referance is "This information was compiled by a well known food analysis company in New Jersey"

    it doesnt actually tell you who did it, or how it was done. both are absolutely *required* when you are giving scientific information. especially if you are using that information to promote your own product.
  12. james

    james Arachnobaron Old Timer


    I went in 50/50 on this with Dexter. I spoke to the lab and talked to them about the results. I think he didn't want to give out the name because this company did this project (which to them was very small) only because the company he works for uses this lab. I am not a sceintific person but believe these results to be 100% good as the lab tested many specimens and check the numbers multiple times. These roaches did come from Dexter so if we can get them to test again I'll send my roaches to see if keeping or feed changes the results. The crickets and mealworms came from a larger distributor.
    If anyone would like to request other species to be tested just let me know.
  13. DoubleD's

    DoubleD's Arachnosquire Old Timer

    Hello all, This is to clarify the information about the feeder roach analysis.
    This information was collected in response to our customers really wanting to know the truth about the feeder out there, so we came together with Blaberus.com in an effort to educate everyone about what we have been saying for years know, and that is that roaches are a superior feeder item.

    The publication of this information was in no way aimed at boosting sales st our site, that is the reason the information was not places on our order page but our contact page instead, we diddnt want people to get that asumption from us, we are here to educate our customers and please them.

    The other thing to clarify is that the inforamation was collected by the
    New Jersey Feed Laboratories
    1686 Fifth Avenue
    Trenton, NJ 08638

    The reason this information was not provided is because as James stated, this Company is what the Hubbs Sea World Research institute (Where I work)uses to collect data, and i diddnt want to cause any problems between the 2 as your work and your business should be kept seperate.
    Anyway the information is for all to enjoy and learn from and if there are any questions we can always be contacted at the link below.

    Dexter D
    Double D's
  14. HepCatMoe

    HepCatMoe Arachnosquire

    thanks for the info guys.

    much appreciated.
  15. The question is : After years of wondering which feeder is more superior? Is it Roaches or
    Crickets, or maybe even Meal worms?
    Well Double D's in conjunction with Blaberus.com have finally gotten you the
    facts you need to answer that question once and for all.
    So here it is"

    And the answer is a table of data everyone seems to be able to interpret, but me. So tell me (anyone), is the one doing the feeding all Theraposidae, or some other definition? And what is the ideal balance between the makeup parts of a feeder insect (for all Theraposidae, generalized,) then? I bet they need all parts, but in some key balance of amounts.
  16. cacoseraph

    cacoseraph ArachnoGod Old Timer

    this is certainly interesting and all, but as i and many well educated others have said... you most certainly can NOT make any claims as to what feeder is better for what invert predator as we don't know anything about their nutritional requirements

    also, ppl always denigrate fat... but it is an important part of virtually any animals' diet (i'm not so sure about microfauna, but true for most higher animals, especially predator types).

    also, what stadia were tested? i expect squishy nymphs would have dif ratios than big ass thick shelled adults for roaches.

    also, depending on methods used i expect that the care given to the roaches in the months prior would HEAVILY affect the ratios. for instance, i run a pretty lean ship at my house... i expect if you analyzed my roaches the ratio of fat to protein would lessen.

    interesting stuff, and an important step in the path to truly understanding invert nutrion.... but absolutely does NOT allow us to say what feeder is "better"
    • Agree Agree x 1
  17. dtknow

    dtknow Arachnoking Old Timer

    Yeah, you really can't say any one of these feeders is better, just that they provide different nutrition.


    lateralis has the highest protein content, and a relatively low fat content. It has a tad more fiber than crickets, double the protein percentage, and a tad less fat. The way I interpret this is that since lateralis and crickets are pretty similar in this nutritional breakdown(aside from protein), they can be a good sub for crickets. People usually consider protein a good thing in any case.
  18. tarsier

    tarsier Arachnodemon

    In any case, this is very interesting.

    Thanks for the information, double d.