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Breeding True Spiders in captivity is difficult!

Discussion in 'True Spiders & Other Arachnids' started by Marc Spider, Sep 29, 2015.

  1. Marc Spider

    Marc Spider Arachnobaron

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    This fall, I've tried breeding Cheiracanthium mildei and it was a disaster... Male ended up eating the slightly larger female (even after I fed him a nice fly).
    I then managed to catch two Phidippus apacheanus and the male attacked the female, she's crippled now.

    I don't understand, widows are easy to breed, P. Audax are easy to breed.. while others is a serious challenge. I still haven't been successful breeding some species, it's annoying.

    Has anyone bred these two species before?
     
  2. The same thing happened with my Phidippus princeps.. I was so disappointed when my female later died.. Never tried Cheiracanthium before. Did recently have a pair but the male died. The only trues I've successfully bred are H. carolinensis, T. helluo, Schizocosa sp., and S. grossa. Wish you good luck.
     
  3. The Snark

    The Snark هرج و مرج مهندس Old Timer

    I wish you luck. It seems that with some Salticids, the window between prey, hunting, and mating is tiny. Like, the time frame for romance is less than 1% of it's daily operations. Getting two of them with coinciding opportunity windows appears to be extremely rare.
    But to the point. What is just as rare is a good accurate accounting, documenting, of circumstances and participants in successful matings. So if you are successful, hint hint!

    I can't even count the number of times I've observed a potential romance between Phidippus only to have some distraction mess up the entire operation. Another male wandering by and off the guy goes to do battle, completely forgetting his lady friend. Prey or what may be prey appears and their 1/4 millisecond attention span is blown and off they roam, forgetting everything. And of course, due to their ultra short term memory, romance can instantly become LUNCH TIME!!
     
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  4. Marc Spider

    Marc Spider Arachnobaron

    I'm beginning to worry for my female P. apacheanus! When the male attacked her, he bit her right underneath her head, between two legs (luckily it wasn't an abdomen bite).

    She is not doing the death curl, she looks paralyzed... not moving whatsoever, it's worrying me. Can she pull through this?

    Here's a video
    [video=youtube;ONeSiLoe9Ok]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONeSiLoe9Ok&feature=youtu.be[/video]
     
  5. The Snark

    The Snark هرج و مرج مهندس Old Timer

    Probably not. Many venoms include digestive properties.
     
  6. Marc Spider

    Marc Spider Arachnobaron

    That's not what I want to read!!!

    Dammit, apacheanus are pretty rare where I live. First time I've found one since 6-7 years ago. What a bummer :wall::(

    ---------- Post added 09-29-2015 at 08:40 PM ----------

    She's still holding onto the cotton ball, which is some good news I hope... though no movement at all, just frozen. No death curl.. yet
     
  7. Marc Spider

    Marc Spider Arachnobaron

    Placed her in a dark area with a little moisture, crossing my fingers tomorrow morning she'll be OK. If she's still the same, then she has passed away
     
  8. Marc Spider

    Marc Spider Arachnobaron

    Well, she is the same and finally did the death curl.

    So unfortunate, but it happens.


    Careful trying to breed Phidippus apacheaus people, the males are lunatics
     
  9. The Snark

    The Snark هرج و مرج مهندس Old Timer

    Sigh. Just keep trying.
     
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  10. Marc Spider

    Marc Spider Arachnobaron

    I will if I get my hands on apacheanus again! You were right.

    I've had spiders get bit before and pull through, guess this one was too much for her.
     
  11. Dirtchildherps

    Dirtchildherps Arachnopeon

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    I just recently bred a shizocosa sp. And im working on T. helluo, any advicr with those.
     
  12. pannaking22

    pannaking22 Arachnoking Active Member

    Salticids as a whole are a tough group to breed. I don't have any experience with Cheiracanthium. Latrodectus and Loxosceles are both easy, but there are a ton of other spiders besides those of course.
     
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  13. Geb Arachnia Whitney

    Geb Arachnia Whitney Arachnoknight Active Member

    I've had many P. Audax slings and prego mothers. You just gotta treat them like any other sling you might have, and feed them small, or disabled prey items. I like to keep my baby jumpers in small-medium sized spice jugs. Put in some sphagnum moss and sprinkle it with pesticide free grass seed, and you'll have a really nice nursery for your baby. Hope this helps!

    Oh, and one more thing, make sure you have really really good ventilation. I like to cut the middle out of the plastic lids with a soldering iron and I usually put cheese cloth in place. Just re-melt the edges of the hole and mush the cloth into the melted plastic. Cut away the excess and you should have a good ventilation system. The sphagnum moss holds in humidity and the grass soaks up the excess.
     
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  14. WildSpider

    WildSpider Arachnobaron Active Member

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    Tell me about it. Thankfully, my Dysdera crocatas may have successfully paired as it looks like my female might be building an egg sac or two.
     
  15. JAFUENTES

    JAFUENTES Arachnodragon Arachnosupporter

    only trues I've bred are latrodectus species and the former sicarious terrosus now sicarious thosimades , forgive me for spelling
     
  16. Geb Arachnia Whitney

    Geb Arachnia Whitney Arachnoknight Active Member

    I've bred many trues. My personal favorite are the black lace weavers I used to find in my basement downstate. They were beefy little girls and guys. The slings were fun to raise as they'd take down prey much larger than themselves with their hacklemesh webs.
     
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  17. WildSpider

    WildSpider Arachnobaron Active Member

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    I caught a female Amaurobiidae of some kind and she laid an egg sac for me. Keeping my fingers crossed that it'll hatch.
     
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  18. Geb Arachnia Whitney

    Geb Arachnia Whitney Arachnoknight Active Member

    Just be prepared for the matriphagy...
     
  19. WildSpider

    WildSpider Arachnobaron Active Member

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    She got away from me actually a while after she laid it. I think I know why now... :hilarious:
     
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