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Brachypelma hamorii bite severity

Discussion in 'Tarantula Questions & Discussions' started by Serkos, Mar 15, 2019.

  1. Serkos

    Serkos Arachnopeon

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    hi I recently got a brachypelma hamorii (not too young around 5 cm diameter) and I wanted to know how serious it would be if she ever bit me (which I doubt will happen cause I don’t mess around with her) but I was searching on google and couldn’t find any reports of someone being bit by this species and I wondered if anyone knew how severe their venom is. Is it similarly weak as the b smithi?
     
  2. Paul1126

    Paul1126 Arachnobaron Active Member

    They do not have potent venom, it would still hurt though.
     
  3. EulersK

    EulersK Arachnoworm Staff Member

    If we're talking about an adult, the fangs themselves would likely hurt more than the venom. Note that allergies do exist though, so there is a slim chance it would be a bigger situation for you.
     
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  4. Vanisher

    Vanisher Arachnoprince Old Timer

    I have been bit by my adult G porteri. It hurted some, but not too bad. I guess B hamorii has similair venom?
     
  5. Serkos

    Serkos Arachnopeon

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    No I don’t have any allergies and also it’s not an adult it’s 5cm big
     
  6. Chris LXXIX

    Chris LXXIX ArachnoGod Active Member

    As stated above, in the case of adult specimens (and if females, better) what you need to "fear" with this species (and other similar NW's species) are the mechanical damage caused by the chelicerae punctures more than mere venom potency (nothing relevant, for what we know).

    I know that in the arachnid hobby, when it comes for bites, first comes the concern about the venom potency (reasonable, since majority of us keeps OW's and other arachnids with a somewhat potent venom) and only second the chelicerae damage, but those chubby NW's are quite badass, on that sense, and that powerful mechanical bite shouldn't be underestimated, never.

    They can damage technically even hand nerves, ain't joking (imagine a brutal T.stirmi) :writer:
     
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  7. EulersK

    EulersK Arachnoworm Staff Member

    Yeah, I got that, I was just making a point about the venom :hilarious:

    You're not kidding. These are the fangs of an adult female T. stirmi. If I got bit, I couldn't care less about the venom. I'd care about an angry leg-beast holding onto my hand with 5/8" face daggers.

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  8. EtienneN

    EtienneN Arachnonovelist Arachnosupporter

    I read a paper on T venom awhile back and I thought it described how T venom is made up of incomplete peptides, and thus couldn't have the proper chain of molecules to invoke an allergic response. It was also talked about in Stan Shultz's book, though I realise his "words of wisdom" are to be taken with a huge block of salt. ;)
     
  9. EulersK

    EulersK Arachnoworm Staff Member

    I actually vaguely know what you're talking about. But really, allergies should be taken into account with just about any animal, especially exotics. People can be allergic to just about anything under the sun... including the sun, actually.
     
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  10. Chris LXXIX

    Chris LXXIX ArachnoGod Active Member

    Starting from the point that I'm the last person educated about, let me add this to the above.

    Another issue that should (always) be considered is (in regards of certain OW's species) a lot of post envenomations bite effects, like those that may affects the heart etc (see the venom of the African arboreal baboons and C.fimbriatus, according to the little we know).

    Now, different people, different issues, a different general health history (isn't rare that a person wasn't/isn't even full aware of his medical status, happened) and those symptoms can vary and they are, often, underestimated because "no one ever died", but I do love to consider always a 360° picture :)
     
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  11. cold blood

    cold blood Moderator Staff Member

    allergic reactions only come about after exposure.
     
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  12. EulersK

    EulersK Arachnoworm Staff Member

    Might I direct you to the hoards of YouTubers that get tagged on a weekly basis :hilarious:
     
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  13. cold blood

    cold blood Moderator Staff Member

    please dont.:D

    Thats insane...people can be soooo dumb....and most dummies seem to have a you tube channel to show off their brilliance to all.
     
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  14. The Grym Reaper

    The Grym Reaper Arachnotank Arachnosupporter

    The mechanical damage from the fangs would likely be worse than the effects of the venom (if any is injected at all).

    The fangs on my 5" hamorii female's last moult (because I'm not stupid enough to put my hands anywhere near the girl herself, she'd make an OBT look mild-mannered).

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  15. Vanisher

    Vanisher Arachnoprince Old Timer

    I heard a story of a T blondi crushed a bone in a guys hand. Yes the mechanical damage is worse than the venom in many speicies!
     
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  16. Chris LXXIX

    Chris LXXIX ArachnoGod Active Member

    Chances are that said T.blondi was a T.stirmi that costed like a T.blondi :troll: - couldn't resist
     
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  17. Vanisher

    Vanisher Arachnoprince Old Timer

    It is irrelevant if it was a T stirmi or T blondi!
     
  18. Beggottenson

    Beggottenson Arachnoknight Active Member

    I believe it is relevant because a T storming has larger fangs causing more damage
     
  19. Vanisher

    Vanisher Arachnoprince Old Timer

    I dont think there is any diffrence whatsoever between a T blondi or a T stirmis teeth if the spidrrs are of the same size
     
  20. Beggottenson

    Beggottenson Arachnoknight Active Member

    Ive read that due to the anatomy of the t stirmis larger carapace they have larger fangs
     
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