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B. Vagans enclosure

Discussion in 'Vivariums and Terrariums' started by Duke911, Feb 11, 2019.

  1. Duke911

    Duke911 Arachnopeon

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    Hey guys I recently purchased a 3 year old female B. Vagans and made an enclosure for her it is a 12x12x18in enclosure with several inches of substrate for burrowing what do you guys think.
    P. S all the plants are fake and are made of soft silk plastic as to not harm my T. And just in case you don't see it there is a shallow water dish in the front corner.
    P. P. S the light on top was only there for the picture. 20190210_113817.jpg
     
  2. cold blood

    cold blood Moderator Staff Member

    The enclosure is not appropriate.

    Needs a massive amount if sub to make it safe...front doors prevent this.

    This is an arboreal enclosure.
     
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  3. Vanisher

    Vanisher Arachnobaron Old Timer

    One way of making it ok is to make a slope of substrate. Little substrate in the front and deep sub in the back! You do it by this. 2 cm behind the front you beginning to build the substrate. It is not gonna be a traditional slope, instead the surface ofcthe sub is gonna be pretty even. Little sub where the doors are and then a deep layer beginning 2 cm behind the doors! Hope you understand what i mean, my english is not perfect! But problems gonna occur with substrate spilling over and out from the tank when you open the doors and so on, especially if the spider digs! Like Cold blood says there are far better tanks for a terrestrial spider
     
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  4. Thekla

    Thekla Arachnolord Active Member

    Like @cold blood said, this enclosure isn't appropriate for a terrestrial T. Even if you put more substrate in the back, there'll always be an about 13-14" gap between the substrate and the top at the front doors. If your spider climbs and falls from that height, it'll severely injure itself... it could even die. Also, an Exo Terra has a mesh lid, where your T could get their tarsal claws stuck in.

    I housed my B. vagans in this, much safer enclosure:

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  5. Duke911

    Duke911 Arachnopeon

    Thanks for all the replys guys!! I measured the sub and I have 4 and a half inches. and from the top of the sub to the top of the enclosure is only 11in is that still to tall for my T?
     
  6. Thekla

    Thekla Arachnolord Active Member

    Curious. 4,5" + 11" = 15,5"
    What about the remaining 2,5"? ;)

    But yes, it's still too tall. What's the DLS of your T? With 3 years, I'd say 3-4"? If it's 4", there shouldn't be more than about 6" between the substrate and the top.
     
  7. Vanisher

    Vanisher Arachnobaron Old Timer

    But how much substrate can you get inside there? Isnt those very low? I had a similair and i thought it was to low. I only could get around 10 cm of sub inside! For opoortunistic burrowers like a B vagans i prefer 30cm×30cm×30cm or maybe little larger terrarium you open in the top with 20cm layer of substrate
     
  8. Duke911

    Duke911 Arachnopeon

    The other 2 and a half would be the top and bottom lip of the cage. And I think she is close to 4 so I will set up another enclosure when I get time this evening!!!! Appreciate everyones help!!!!!
     
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  9. Thekla

    Thekla Arachnolord Active Member

    She's got enough substrate to make herself a nice comfy burrow if she wanted to... She burrowed when she was younger, but since her last moult, when she hit about 3,5", she never even tries to hide or use her burrow. She's always out in the open. In her previous enclosure she even filled her burrow up with substrate. So, I believe 4" of substrate (where she could make herself a home) is quite enough.
    Maybe I'll change my mind if she ever starts to dig again... ;)
     
  10. cold blood

    cold blood Moderator Staff Member

    Get a new enclosure.
     
  11. Thekla

    Thekla Arachnolord Active Member

    Agreed! ;)
    You could use the Exo Terra for a nice large arboreal species. Some Avics can get quite large and would fit in there nicely (when adult). :)
     
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  12. cold blood

    cold blood Moderator Staff Member

    Ive seen this before...I see this as feel good attempt, not a real solution...like someone attempting to dress up a turd to look nice....doesnt change the fact its a turd.:eek: The slope doesnt change the fact that its an enclosure best suited for arboreals.

    Sloping, makes part of it look better, but does nothing to make things any safer....in fact, the slope can compound the issue if a t molts toward the top, and rolls down...and any t that makes a fall from the top could well roll or bounce right to the bottom. And if it falls in the front, its no better than right now anyway.
     
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  13. Vanisher

    Vanisher Arachnobaron Old Timer

  14. The Grym Reaper

    The Grym Reaper Arachnotank Arachnosupporter

    4" of sub is plenty for any non-burrowing terrestrial, I have 4 flat exo terra faunariums (housing B. hamorii/B. emilia/G. pulchripes/N. chromatus, none of which have made any attempt to dig since they hit 3") and I've never had an issue with them (in fact, I much prefer them to the breeder boxes which seem to get recommended much more on here).
     
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  15. Uial

    Uial Arachnopeon

    As a sidenote about the B. vagans specifically, some keepers keep 1/3 of the substrate a bit moist, some keep the substrate bonedry, you might want to experiment some with that. If the T is often sitting in the wet spot, it's a sign that she does appreciate it.



    Here is a vid by Tom Moran about B. vagans husbandry, if you'd rather have your information in video format, I know it always helps me to visualise things better, even if all the new information seems overwhelming right now.
     
  16. viper69

    viper69 ArachnoGod Old Timer

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  17. Vanisher

    Vanisher Arachnobaron Old Timer

    I wouldnt call a B vagans a non burrowing terrestrial! Few terrestrial speicies are non burrowers. B vagans digs burrows in nature and in terrarium as well. If i am remembering right i have had a B vagans that burrowed!? Even though a tarantula speicies ere known to not burrow in terrarium (like a G rosea) they can, and should be provided by a deep layer of substrate if you ask me!
     
  18. The Grym Reaper

    The Grym Reaper Arachnotank Arachnosupporter

    Actually, a lot of species only burrow as slings/juvies, there are exceptions but a lot of species forgo burrowing (or even using a hide although I still provide one of those) altogether once they hit 3-4".

    I have a B. hamorii whose temper would make an OBT cack itself, doesn't mean they're all grumpy.

    I go with the spider's behaviour on this, I'm not going to waste space and substrate giving a spider that doesn't make any attempt to burrow 8" of substrate.
     
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