True, there is nothing in the experiment to measure the plants emotional response, just a possibility for a visible reaction to our emotional input. To do so would mean we would each need a polygraph or some other type of equipment to measure the electrical responses of plants during this...
Then how about a simple experiment... Its not an original experiment but it is easy enough anyone on this board can do. And since we have some real scientists here they can participate and make sure they have not tampered or biased this experiment in any way.
3 jars of dried grain; rice...
Not necessarily, if at all. At the most, on a very rudimentary level, they may be making a choice. Is it haphazard the course of action they take, or are they really making a choice?
I do try to treat all creatures with respect... may stumble at times but I do try. Mosquitos included...
My goodness... we actually agree on something! A whole email in fact!
Now wait you say, isn't this the same woman who said...
"As for myself, I will still treat my fuzzy tarantulas with respect and compassion, always assuming they can feel pain."
Yes I am... as an empathic and emotional...
Code Monkey, I didn't go in to this trying to convert you, nor to prove how smart I am... I already know I've got a long ways to go to be considered genius. That you are close to getting your entemology degree, certainly explains a lot. My hope was to at least open up the possibility in this...
Code Monkey]@Nia
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Further, even if we were for the moment to assume these "counterpoints" held weight, as Eurypterid would point out, science per se didn't formally exist until the notion of the scientific method was formed, and that's only been the past few hundred years...
<Let's say that Bob is a recent paraplegic, paralysed somewhere midchest by a traumatic spinal cord severing. If I jam a nail in Bob's foot does he feel pain?>
Okay Code Monkey, ANYONE is going to bite... You are talking about a paraplegic, right? From what I know, and I admit I am not a...
Actually, I wasn't that far off. Science does influence our culture to quite an extent. It wasn't that long ago that learned men of science said the world was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth. They have since been proven wrong. Science changes every day, creating new theories...
It seems fairly obvious to me whether or not any creature, especially Ts since this is the topic, feel pain. You have observed that Ts do have a fight or flight response... Why? If they dont feel pain, then why would they want to fight or run away? Pain, and the fear of pain, is the factor...
Charnoble, something you didn't mention in your post.. which direction the window faces, if it is direct sunlight coming in the window. For instance my spider room is on the south side of the house... direct sunlight comes in the window and hits the entire north wall :( making it a bad place...
Ah.. somewhere that this newbie can help out.
I happen to work in an agriculture/government/pesticide related job and have a non toxic though messy solution to get rid of ants.
I use powdered cinnamon when I come across ants where I don't want them. They walk in the powder and take it...
My scorps are:
V. confusus 'Fortuna' (Roman Goddess of Fortune) (from Graham :)
V. spiniger 'Sedna' (Inuit Goddess of the sea and death) (from Graham :)
H. arizonensis 'Wazi, old man sorceror' (Soiux) (from Heather and Darrin)
5 H. spinifers 'the Mob' (from Keri...
hey Graham... your chalcodes is lookin' good! :drool: I used a pic of one of mine for my avatar. It so totally ROCKED collecting them with you!!!! :worship:
Okay, it's my turn since I'm a newbie too.
male.female.unsexed species [name]
Tarantulas
0.0.1 A. anax [Morgan]
0.0.3 A. chalcodes [Kachina, Shanaya, Picacho]
0.0.1 A. seemani [Asia]
0.0.1 A. sp. (Carlsbad Green) [Kaya]
0.0.1 A. sp. (New Mexico Blonde) [Trinity]
0.1.1...
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