G. Rosea? G. porteri? Something else? [2/2]
Drea

G. Rosea? G. porteri? Something else? [2/2]

Pet store rescue 15 years ago. I asked them what she was and they said, “rose hair”... ok. Again I asked what species and they repeated rose hair that I was nuts. I gave up on that and took her home because she was in bad shape.

years later I still asking the same question. What is she?
Hi all. New member here.
The story about this specimens is old, and actually, kinda confusing. Lets divide this in 2 fronts: science and hobby.
In the hobby, these guys were known as G. rosea before, I mean, more than 5 years (or so) ago. Then, if I remember correctly, a seller saw that G. porteri was also a valid name and, for no reason, he said that these guys are the real G. porteri. I don't know why but this got fixed in peoples minds and nowadays, most people believes they are G. porteri, indeed. And doubt when someone called them G. rosea.
On the other hand, in science, like I said, G. porteri is a valid species yet. However, no one knows how they actually looks like and that is because its type was lost (or very, very, broken) which will probably turn the species in nomen dubium.
Now, here we go to the question:
If scientists don't know how the real G. porteri looks like, how a seller from the hobby knew, and worst, confirmed that these specimen from the hobby are them, and not G. rosea?
Imo, if you dont want to breed them, then it doesnt matter their names. But if you do want, paired them only with individuals from the same specimen. Only because Grammostola genus is a chaos and, at the end of the day, this guys can't be neither.
Hope it could be helpful. :)
 
@Arachnid Addicted Miss Aragon will never been paired as she is a rescue and adopted pets are to just live as happy as I can.

My other female Grammostola looks just like her and was sold as a porteri. I am very interested in pairing her but I don’t want to unintentionally mix species.

As you said, chaos plays a huge role when scientists start switch names and genus.

Thanks for the information and welcome to AB.
 
@Drea only thing in this case is that wasnt scientists that changed names. Either way, til second orders, what you have is G. rosea.
Thanks for the welcome. :)
 
@Drea like I said in my 1st comment, these individuals were known as G. rosea for years before a seller hobbyst change their name to G. porteri.
The problem here is that this name change was made without any basis and worst, G. porteri is a phantom species which no one knows how the actual individual looks like.
If no one knows how the true G. porteri looks like, by logic, this name change was a farse and we can keep it as they were known before, which is G. rosea.
To be clear again, this change was made in the hobby.
Hope it could be helpful. In case you have more doubts, feel free to ask.
 
I don't know if you're right or wrong but it sounds like you know what you're talking about. Either way, Grammostola is a clusterf(fornication)ck of a genus like you said, and a genus I am thoroughly uninterested in. I'd never buy one tbh too much messed up genes.

Phormictopus on the other hand....
 
@Arachnid Addicted I like the simplicity of G. rosea they are. What really throws me off is the two color formations of the Grammostola Rosea. Mine are brownish grey and have been labeled by many as G. porteri. The ones that are being labeled as G. Rosea are very red in color.

I can’t remember the article that I read but the reason the the were placed into different species was of some subtle difference in a body part. I can’t remember what is was though. I will find it and link it.

It was a great read that you might enjoy. I am with @spodermin that it has became to muddled over the years.
 
@Drea I know what you meant. Before, G. porteri was known as G. rosea "NCF", which means Normal Color Form, while the other one was known as G. rosea "RCF" (Red Color Form). All the confusion started with this name change of NCF to porteri, before that, they belonged to the same species and the difference in color was polychromatism (which happens with a lot of species).

About the article, I've read it already. I don't remember who wrote, but I do remember the author mentioning something like the difference the analysed was not 100% reliable, not in these exact words, though. I'll try to find the article again, though.

The mess between porteri and rosea is just the tip of the iceberg, lol. @spodermin you were being sarcatisc about Phormictopus? Lol.
 
@Arachnid Addicted I have two Grammostola rosea/porteris are what ever they are. One was a pet shop rescue some 15 or so years ago (Aragon in the picture above). The other one came from an expo and I was curious to see if there was a difference.

Now I have three females. One was just given to me by the local police along with a B. Vagan. The authorities raided a drug deals house and animal control here has no real guide lines for inverts. One of buddies that works in SWAT called me to pick them up. The poor things looked like tweakers too.

Anyway, every time I get a crazy notion to pair Grammostola rosea’s and find a male, I am quickly reminded of why I don’t. The confusion of the species is something that I don’t want to add too.

I still feel that I am need to find so much more research on this issue because I hate not knowing all the details.
 

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