*PIC* Nhandu chromatus

Hi,

a juvenile/subadult Nhandu chromatus:





all the best,
Martin

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I've never heard of this species and Platnick doesn't list it, not to mention that it looks exactly like an L. cristata.

Is there really such a species or are you testing how gullible some people are?

Hi,

Code Monkey said:

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I've never heard of this species and Platnick doesn't list it,

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how often does he update his list?

not to mention that it looks exactly like an L. cristata.

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can't confirm or denie this, since I have never seen a photo of a Lasiodora cristata (Mello-Leitão, 1923).

Is there really such a species

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yep, respectively it has been described under this name – if it is a valid species and in the proper genus, time will tell like so often! =;-)

all the best,
Martin

I've noticed, even though I'm new with most species of tarantulas, that they call them different names in Europe. Here in the USA they would call that
an L. cristata like Code Monkey says. It looks like that and often the common name is Brazilian Red and white as sold by some arachnodealers. Its a pretty one anyway. How big? Is it mature? I have a L. cristata sling that is growing slowly.

Sharon

From what I remember, maybe 1½ years ago Lasiodora cristata was listed as Nhandu cristatus. And I've gotta agree it looks exactly like mine. Other than the fact this is a mature male, RIP

Hello Sharon,

cricket54 said:

I've noticed, even though I'm new with most species of tarantulas, that they call them different names in Europe. Here in the USA

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yep, in the USA most seems to prefer common names, while in Europe in most countries common names are rarely used and the people are used to use scientific names.

I have a L. cristata sling

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I would bet that you don't have a Lasiodora cristata sensu Mello-Leitão 1923! There is a species in the pet trade which is erenously called Vitalius cristatus / Lasiodora cristata but it is NOT the Lasiodora cristata sensu Mello-Leitão 1923!
There are several threads on that topic, e.g. this one: >>click here<<

all the best,
Martin

Hi,

Mendi said:

From what I remember, maybe 1½ years ago Lasiodora cristata was listed as Nhandu cristatus.

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Vitalius cristatus not Nhandu cristatus! =;-)

Cheers,
Martin

Oops, I realized that with your first posting that name and was just about to mention it. But this T and your picture do look remarkedly similar

Mendi said:

But this T and your picture do look remarkedly similar

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That doesn't surprise me even the species on my photo is NOT Lasiodora cristata sensu Mello-Leitão 1923! =;-)

all the best,
Martin

That will be ok Martin. I got it from a very good reputable dealer that is here in the US and is on these boards here often. Its a sweet little thing and fun to watch it grow. The dealer that is on the boards here might take exception to it not being a L. cristata. But like I said, its fun watching it grow and I can't wait till it gets its colors. Its just a tiny sling between 1/4" and 1/2" eating and molting quite regularly. Can't wait to see what it looks like as an adult. This dealer has an adult's picture posted on his site as advertisement for this sling that looks just like the one origionally posted on this thread.

Sharon

cricket54 said:

That will be ok Martin. I got it from a very good reputable dealer that is here in the US and is on these boards here often. Its a sweet little thing and fun to watch it grow. The dealer that is on the boards here might take exception to it not being a L. cristata. But like I said, its fun watching it grow and I can't wait till it gets its colors. Its just a tiny sling between 1/4" and 1/2" eating and molting quite regularly. Can't wait to see what it looks like as an adult. This dealer has an adult's picture posted on his site as advertisement for this sling that looks just like the one origionally posted on this thread.

Sharon

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You've missed the point

It's not like the situation with H.minax where random black Asian spiders are sold erroneously as "H.minax" alongside the true H.minax

"L.cristata" is not actually L.cristata, and it never was in the first place....

Ok. Sorry about that. I'm also in the situation where I bought a large T. from a petstore that they said was a Cobalt. It was ovvious to me it is not a Cobalt, but some other kind of Haplopelma. Too calm even. All brown. Wish I could post pictures. It has a nice deep elaborate hole in its aquarium. It looks like some kind of maybe " H.Minax". Are you saying there aren't any real Minax in the US? I like it when places use the correct latin name for what they are selling. These people probably get their tarantulas from a Reptile dealer that just includes a few T's and scorpions in an order. These guys are weird. They now have a "stout leg baboon" and "geniculata" (these look like the real thing) besides the GBB and other common tarantulas. The lady actually said they get all their tarantulas from "the only guy that raises tarantulas in the US". They have the little genic. in a swampy large vial. They don't give their T's enough substrate to burrow in and the little genic is in a swampy vial. I can't afford to buy them to give them a proper home. They would just get others anyways. They are very knowledgeable about their reptiles at least. There seems to be quite a few reputable dealers here in the US that aquire and sell tarantulas to the public Some they raise themselves from breeding and some are from collecters that go out in the field. Some of the T's are from hobbiests who have successfully mated and raised an eggsack so they can sell or give away the babies. Same situation with scorpions (this petshop I've mentioned also sell some scorpions even some "hot" ones sometimes). Don't a lot of the tarantulas that dealers get in the US and Canada come from Europe or directly from a collector that has all the papers so he can legally collect them in the wild? I hear it is nice to have others to add to the gene pool so its not always bad for them to have a W. C. tarantula or scorpion. Then again there is the situation with urban expansion taking away the animals enviroment. Has anyone seen the program "Venom ER" ?

Sharon

cricket54 said:

Are you saying there aren't any real Minax in the US?
Sharon

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There are a few. When they do appear it seems that they show up in decent numbers, so they aren't really rare. Last I recall seeing them was at Regal some time ago, and I personally have never seen them on any of my wholesale lists. I guess it's economics, why try to sell a black asian spider at $60.00+ (minax) when there are black asian spiders available at only a $3.00 investment.

Hello all.

Martin, put everyone out of their misery and confusion, and explain the situation. LOL. You are being too clever again!!!!!!!!!

A quick question. As peer review does not seem to be a neccersary factor in describing a new species, (Though it ought to be) at what point does a new species/description become valid. Is it at the point of publishing??? Are their certain standards that must be adhered to??? (Other than ICZN).

Does schmidt,s description stand at present and until someone prints a contradictory paper????

Regards,

Stew.

Hi "Stew.", =;-)

stewartb said:

Martin, put everyone out of their misery and confusion, and explain the situation. LOL.

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They just have to follow the link I have posted above and they will get enlightened! =;-)
or just >>click here<<

A quick question. As peer review does not seem to be a neccersary factor in describing a new species, (Though it ought to be) at what point does a new species/description become valid. Is it at the point of publishing??? Are their certain standards that must be adhered to??? (Other than ICZN).

Does schmidt,s description stand at present and until someone prints a contradictory paper????

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sorry, but I don't have the time and "energie" to discuss this topic again. *neverendingstory* Maybe others will (Steve Nunn?)!?

Cheers,
Martin

stewartb said:

A quick question. As peer review does not seem to be a neccersary factor in describing a new species, (Though it ought to be) at what point does a new species/description become valid. Is it at the point of publishing??? Are their certain standards that must be adhered to??? (Other than ICZN).

Does schmidt,s description stand at present and until someone prints a contradictory paper????

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Yep, publishing in any form is what makes a description "valid". Counter publishing takes more time and effort because unlike the initial description, you will have to actually prove your case. There should be a peer review process but there isn't and it's unlikely after all this time that there will be.

Martin H. said:

There are several threads on that topic, e.g. this one: >>click here<<

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That cleared up a lot, thank-you. I missed that thread or I wouldn't have been so incredulous.

As for your comment on Platnick, he does update every few months. I'm sure this will make it's way there eventually, however your dismissal of what is by far the single best one-stop valid taxonomy database was perhaps a bit off.

Martin,

this is what Rogerio Bertani answered Thomas in a e-mail:

I received an e-mail from Schmidt some weeks ago saying
he was doing it. I told him I was working on the same subject.
Well, surely the species is good, but I am not sure about the genus.
This species shares characters with the genera Vitalius, Lasiodora and
Nhandu. It would be necessary to make an analysis comparing it with many
species of all these genera to have an idea on in what genus it should
be classified. That's what I am doing in my revision of Lasiodora.

another haste job by smidt!?

so don't use a permanent marker for this name just yet!

Martin H. said:

sorry, but I don't have the time and "energie" to discuss this topic again. *neverendingstory* Maybe others will (Steve Nunn?)!?

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In summary, Schmidt has brought out another waste of time paper that others will no doubt have to correct in due time. The US pet trade "L.cristata" is not and never was said species ( the real L.cristata has never been in the pet trade). However it this is the same spider Schmidt has just described. To show how ignorant Schmidt really is, he has ignored a respected taxonomist's (Rogerio Bertani) request and published his own paper in a mad rush to "beat the opposition". We had all expected Rogerio would describe this species, he's been working on genera revisions for quite a while now, everyone knew this. Gunter (Phd in ecology) obviously couldn't of cared.

So, as it stands now, what all you folk were calling "L.cristata", you should now use the name "Nhandu chromatus". For the meanwhile anyway

Cheers,
Steve