Secret No More... COSTALE

David_F

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Any updates on the breeding project kelly? Just happened to run across this thread and I'm now in love with this species.
 
Michael Jacobi

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Since Kelly hasn't had a chance to reply... Kelly has been selling her collection and I have purchased her pair of Haplopelma costale. I will try to keep y'all updated through this thread. Currently they are being housed separately and power fed. Here's some photos for ya:
 

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Philth

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Are these spiders related since there so rare, and came from the same sorce? Is it accepted to breed related spiders in a situation like this ? Im still confused about inbreeding spiders. Is there proof of the offspring being weak or deformed from inbreeding?
 
Michael Jacobi

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Philth said:
Are these spiders related since there so rare, and came from the same sorce? Is it accepted to breed related spiders in a situation like this ? Im still confused about inbreeding spiders. Is there proof of the offspring being weak or deformed from inbreeding?
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These spiders came from the same group of 30 imported into the US as spiderlings. Therefore, it is extremely likely that they are siblings. I know of nothing published regarding "inbreeding" tarantulas or any other invertebrates. I am also not aware of any good anecdotal info in this area. My personal non-scientific belief: problems caused by inbreeding in vertebrates is due to many factors - especially a lack of genetic diversity allowing recessive "weak" genes to be expressed. Spiders are fairly simple animals and I think therefore less prone to genetically weak offspring. For the record, many tarantulas in the hobby are the result of sibling matings. Almost all Poecilotheria rufilata are related and that is just one example. I could go on to describe the designer morphs in the reptile hobby and how many are the result of breeding daughters with fathers (albeit usually later "outbred" to unrelated animals for "genetic strength"). But snakes are much more complex than spiders - and tarantulas are primitive as far as spiders go. The point is that although I would not and have never bred sibling snakes or lizards, I am not concerned about breeding sibling tarantulas. Of course, my hope would be to eventually breed any offspring to unrelated specimens to "strengthen the gene pool". Plus, I am in Tennessee and inbreeding is not completely frowned upon. :eek:
 
hooale

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awesome pics Michael.
That is one of the most beautifull haplopelma's i have seen.
 
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Tamara

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Reminds me of the member with the location: "redneck central where family trees don't branch"
Who is that?
Lovely haps, BTW. Would be nice to see more of them around, inbred or not.

Tamara
 
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Cory Loomis

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Best of luck with the breeding efforts. I hope we can get this beauty established in the hobby. I hope that in a couple of years (or less) I'll feel compelled to drive to Nashville to pick up some of the slings from you.
 
BakuBak

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There is no danger ,, spiders ar inbreeding - proof.. :]
 
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